On 01/02/2017 06:08 PM, teor wrote:
On 3 Jan 2017, at 11:46, Mirimir mirimir@riseup.net wrote:
I believe that what is needed is changing Tor to accommodate a lot of small relays running by a very large number of volunteers, and to push real traffic through them.
Alternately, you need lots of small relays, running (with plausible deniability) on IoT devices. Mirai-style. Using covert channels (packet timing etc). Tor Project would never do that, I know. But eventually, it might come down to that.
I think you are talking about a different network, which is not Tor as currently designed, implemented, and deployed.
Yes, very different. But perhaps using onion-routing. Or mixes. Or both.
In particular, how do you get decent throughput, reliability, and low- latency out of tens of thousands of devices?
I imagine that it would be entirely peer-to-peer. And that it would use something like multipath UDP. Using covert channels, bandwidth would at best be ~1% of raw. But Internet bandwidth and latency are increasing, and high-definition video is everywhere, so there's lots of traffic to modulate. HD video devices would be good routers, I think.
This is an open research problem, which the Tor design does not solve.
T
Indeed. A few designs have been published, but nothing better has been implemented. As far as I know, anyway.
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