Hi, I'm wondering if anyone knows anything about JANET's (the UK academic ISP) views on running a Tor relay? It's probably not worth putting together a proposal for running one in a UK University if the ISP is going to have problems with it. Thanks, Iain. -- urn:x-human:Iain R. Learmonth http://iain.learmonth.me/ mailto:irl@fsfe.org xmpp:irl@jabber.fsfe.org tel:+447875886930 GPG Fingerprint: 1F72 607C 5FF2 CCD5 3F01 600D 56FF 9EA4 E984 6C49 Please verify out-of-band before trusting with sensitive information. This email was composed Thu 5 Jun 20:48:25 BST 2014.
On Thu, Jun 05, 2014 at 08:50:42PM +0100, Iain R. Learmonth wrote:
I'm wondering if anyone knows anything about JANET's (the UK academic ISP) views on running a Tor relay?
It's probably not worth putting together a proposal for running one in a UK University if the ISP is going to have problems with it.
Thanks, Iain.
You might start out by running a non-exit relay, to get them used to the idea? They really shouldn't complain about that at all, but maybe they will and all of your conversations will go more smoothly if that's your starting point. Once you're making progress, you can tell them "and later we can talk about making it an exit relay". --Roger
On Thu, Jun 05, 2014 at 04:05:45PM -0400, Roger Dingledine wrote:
You might start out by running a non-exit relay, to get them used to the idea?
I think that would be the right place to start. The one Ian Goldberg mentioned at Cambridge is non-exit.
They really shouldn't complain about that at all, but maybe they will and all of your conversations will go more smoothly if that's your starting point.
Are there any possibilities that running a relay would get an IP address blacklisted anywhere? Do exit and non-exit relays get treated the same by those that block Tor?
Once you're making progress, you can tell them "and later we can talk about making it an exit relay".
We're an Internet engineering research group, so I imagine a research reason is going to come up for an exit relay eventually (if it hasn't already - we are looking into the list of open research questions). Thanks, Iain. -- urn:x-human:Iain R. Learmonth http://iain.learmonth.me/ mailto:irl@fsfe.org xmpp:irl@jabber.fsfe.org tel:+447875886930 GPG Fingerprint: 1F72 607C 5FF2 CCD5 3F01 600D 56FF 9EA4 E984 6C49 Please verify out-of-band before trusting with sensitive information. This email was composed Thu 5 Jun 21:39:31 BST 2014.
On Thu, Jun 05, 2014 at 09:43:42PM +0100, Iain R. Learmonth wrote:
Are there any possibilities that running a relay would get an IP address blacklisted anywhere? Do exit and non-exit relays get treated the same by those that block Tor?
There do exist services on the Internet that just scoop up all the Tor relay IP addresses -- or worse, "some dude's list of what he thinks might be Tor relay IP addresses" -- and treat them all the same without ever stopping to learn what an exit policy is. Some of them take this approach because they're inept, and I imagine others do it to punish everything related to Tor in hopes that it'll all just go away. See also the end of https://www.torproject.org/docs/faq-abuse#Bans If you have a spare unused IP address, you'll be happiest using it here.
Once you're making progress, you can tell them "and later we can talk about making it an exit relay".
We're an Internet engineering research group, so I imagine a research reason is going to come up for an exit relay eventually (if it hasn't already - we are looking into the list of open research questions).
Do you run a Planetlab node? If so, you might consider "I used Tor in my research, and now I'm giving back. Just because the Tor people are nice enough to not blackmail me into participating before I can use their system doesn't reduce my obligation to help make sure this system that I rely on continues to exist." But I admit that's more roundabout than "I am studying what the Internet does to me when I run an exit relay, so of course I need one". --Roger
On Thu, Jun 05, 2014 at 08:50:42PM +0100, Iain R. Learmonth wrote:
Hi,
I'm wondering if anyone knows anything about JANET's (the UK academic ISP) views on running a Tor relay?
It's probably not worth putting together a proposal for running one in a UK University if the ISP is going to have problems with it.
ephemer3 is running at Cambridge, as far as I know: https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/47F9F5F1611449A867167EEDF8EE4A63ABAAF5... Its AS is listed as "JISC Collections And Janet Limited". - Ian
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