Use of "tor" as part of the name for sbws Debian package
Hi, we're going to package sbws [0] for Debian. We would like to provide the package in deb.torproject.org and probably also in the official Debian archive. teor, irl [1] and others [2] proposed to used the "tor-" namespace for the sbws package. Ulrike pointed out [2] that software using "tor-" in their name needs to be acknowledged by the Tor Project [3]. So, would it be fine to call the sbws Debian package something like "tor-sbws"?. Thanks, juga. [0] https://gitweb.torproject.org/sbws.git/ [1] https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/26848#comment:19 [2] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=903977 [3] https://www.torproject.org/docs/trademark-faq.html
Hi juga. Namespaces are useful if there's multiple packages. A namespace of one seems odd. In most places Stem's package is called 'stem' but in Debian and Fedora it's called python-stem because that's how those platforms like to namespace it. Are you proposing that we call everything tor related 'tor-[name]'? Would you mind explaining further why we're adding this prefix? On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 4:02 PM, juga <juga@riseup.net> wrote:
Hi,
we're going to package sbws [0] for Debian. We would like to provide the package in deb.torproject.org and probably also in the official Debian archive. teor, irl [1] and others [2] proposed to used the "tor-" namespace for the sbws package. Ulrike pointed out [2] that software using "tor-" in their name needs to be acknowledged by the Tor Project [3]. So, would it be fine to call the sbws Debian package something like "tor-sbws"?.
Thanks, juga.
[0] https://gitweb.torproject.org/sbws.git/ [1] https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/26848#comment:19 [2] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=903977 [3] https://www.torproject.org/docs/trademark-faq.html _______________________________________________ tor-project mailing list tor-project@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-project
On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 04:39:30PM -0700, Damian Johnson wrote:
Hi juga. Namespaces are useful if there's multiple packages. A namespace of one seems odd. In most places Stem's package is called 'stem' but in Debian and Fedora it's called python-stem because that's how those platforms like to namespace it.
Are you proposing that we call everything tor related 'tor-[name]'? Would you mind explaining further why we're adding this prefix?
It seems this is coming, at least in part, from this comment:
Well, tor-* was a proposal to disambiguate a short name. I don't particularly care what the prefix would be.
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=903977#32 So, no, not all packages need the tor- prefix, but because "sbws" is a simple, short name they're future-proofing against a collision.
On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 4:02 PM, juga <juga@riseup.net> wrote:
Hi,
we're going to package sbws [0] for Debian. We would like to provide the package in deb.torproject.org and probably also in the official Debian archive. teor, irl [1] and others [2] proposed to used the "tor-" namespace for the sbws package. Ulrike pointed out [2] that software using "tor-" in their name needs to be acknowledged by the Tor Project [3]. So, would it be fine to call the sbws Debian package something like "tor-sbws"?.
Thanks, juga.
[0] https://gitweb.torproject.org/sbws.git/ [1] https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/26848#comment:19 [2] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=903977 [3] https://www.torproject.org/docs/trademark-faq.html _______________________________________________ tor-project mailing list tor-project@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-project
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On 2018-07-24 18:22, Matthew Finkel wrote:
It seems this is coming, at least in part, from this comment:
Well, tor-* was a proposal to disambiguate a short name. I don't particularly care what the prefix would be.
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=903977#32
So, no, not all packages need the tor- prefix, but because "sbws" is a simple, short name they're future-proofing against a collision.
It looks like the "tor-" convention already exists in Debian, so I'd be in favor of following it. For instance, these came up from `apt list` in Debian stretch: tor tor-arm tor-dbg tor-dbgsym tor-geoipdb torchat torsocks Dave
On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 07:55:29PM -0700, Dave Rolek wrote:
On 2018-07-24 18:22, Matthew Finkel wrote:
It seems this is coming, at least in part, from this comment:
Well, tor-* was a proposal to disambiguate a short name. I don't particularly care what the prefix would be.
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=903977#32
So, no, not all packages need the tor- prefix, but because "sbws" is a simple, short name they're future-proofing against a collision.
It looks like the "tor-" convention already exists in Debian, so I'd be in favor of following it.
Unfortunately, I don't think sbws is actually similar. Maybe using "tor-arm" instead of "arm" was an example/precedent, but I don't know the history there.
For instance, these came up from `apt list` in Debian stretch: tor
No explanation needed
tor-arm
Now renamed Nyx
tor-dbg
The debug symbols for tor package
tor-dbgsym
I'm not sure what this is. It looks like this is in Sid and experimental, and possibly a rename of tor-dbg.
tor-geoipdb
This may be the only actual example, but it is still specifically the Geo-IP database used by the "tor" process
torchat
Trademark infringement (and not developed/maintained anymore)
torsocks
This is the name of the program
Hi,
Well, tor-* was a proposal to disambiguate a short name. I don't particularly care what the prefix would be.
The suggestion was also to help users by adding tor-. A package called "Simple Bandwidth Scanner" may easily be confused with a speed test application. The name is not very descriptive, adding tor- makes it more descriptive. It doesn't need to be tor- specifically though. It could equally be onion- or or-. Something that makes it clear that this tool is not for bandwidth measurement in general. Thanks, Iain.
Iain Learmonth <irl@torproject.org> writes:
Hi,
Well, tor-* was a proposal to disambiguate a short name. I don't particularly care what the prefix would be.
The suggestion was also to help users by adding tor-. A package called "Simple Bandwidth Scanner" may easily be confused with a speed test application.
The name is not very descriptive, adding tor- makes it more descriptive.
Having the word 'tor' in the short description and/or the long description is where it matters. I don't think there is any reason to add 'tor-' in front of 'sbws' if the description details that it is for the tor network. -- micah
Hi, On 25/07/18 17:20, micah anderson wrote:
The name is not very descriptive, adding tor- makes it more descriptive.
Having the word 'tor' in the short description and/or the long description is where it matters. I don't think there is any reason to add 'tor-' in front of 'sbws' if the description details that it is for the tor network.
In the end it is ftp-master that decides this. If there is someone who will sponsor the package upload and it's not rejected by ftp-master, then there is really no problem here. Thanks, Iain.
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