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See this previous posting for context:
https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-project/2016-April/000223.html
Notes from Apr 7 2016 meeting:
Shari: 1) We had a board meeting. It was pretty uneventful. The board set up stuff they want me to accomplish by the end of June (I assisted). Nothing too hard. 2) Job descriptions have been distributed and posted. Lots of applicants for the administrative job. A few great applicants for the writer job. Slim pickings for HR. So I posted it on LinkedIn. #action: Roger will try to rope some people into a quick blog post pointing to our three job spots. 3) Got great comments from Nick and Isa on a personnel thing, and I should be able to incorporate them later today and send back for more. 4) Isa and I head to DC next week for DRL meetings.
Nick: 1) I wrapped sponsor S q1 stuff, with help from Yawning and Sebastian. +1, would hack again. I had to re-scope my own view of some deliverables to do so, but what I did is consistent with what we promised, so... good. 2) We need to restructure the network team so that we don't have a situation where everybody else's job is "the problem I'm most interested in!" and Nick's job is "whatever nobody else was excited to do." It will take a while; ***Isabela is helping. 3) We've got most of triage done for 0.2.9; waiting on the next steps from **Isabela, which she's going to get done really soon now, so no worries there. 4) New meeting times seem to work well. Need to get a couple of developers to be more regular about it, though. 5) I'm waiting on the ***TBB team to put Tor 0.2.8.2-alpha into an alpha TorBrowser, so I can see some testing on it before putting out an 0.2.8.3-rc. Georg says the next Tor Browser release is pushed back a week because Mozilla is delayed. Maybe we need to do a separate "for testing" alpha release in the meantime? Or maybe we can just point people to a nightly? Linus still builds those right? #action: Nick started a thread about this on #tor-dev. Karsten is helping.
Alison: 1) Membership in the community team is currently an issue. People don't respond to mail on the list and don't really come to the meetings. This makes me think that maybe the team needs a total overhaul. I've been asking for feedback, but I don't want to be dictatorial about it. I'll keep reaching out to people. 2) Lunar and I are banging out the membership doc and social contract. We'll be sure to be inclusive at the right stages. Advice solicited. 3) Colin and I (and I hope others) have just started working on support stuff, starting with the Tor Browser manual. This is an ideal thing for the community team to work on together.
Isabela: 1) DRL rejected both SOIs - I will email Laura to know if we should schedule the call they suggest on their rejection email. 2) Main goal this week is to have 029 / deliverables organized. 3) Helped Sue Abt yesterday answering her questions so she can answer audit questions. 4) Organizing sponsorT work/report since we signed the contract with them. 5) OTF full proposal is due on April 20th (not a hard deadline, they are flexible) - so for the coming weeks I will be working on that, working on a presentation for DRL in DC and on DRL quarterly report. 6) And I think all of the above will hurt a little bit what I am doing with the ux team and the www team in April / because it takes priority over these things. 7) I talked to Marcin from SIDA last week, who said we should bug him to followup to our SIDA proposal. I'll do that.
Roger: 1) I submitted the NSF-Dutch proposal last Friday. Success rate is 10%, so don't hold your breath. But even if we don't get it, we can reuse the text and team for a future one. 2) PETS reviews are due tomorrow, and this month I need to prepare for the SponsorR quarterly mtg at end of April. I've been unearthing myself from having family visit. If there's anything you need from me that I've forgotten, please let me know. 3) I had a good chat with Isa about support. IMO we need to decide our goals/vision for support, and get a consensus on what our first full-time support person will do, and then get one. I'm hoping Shari will help lead us in that. 4) FBI allegedly has a Tor Browser exploit? It would be wise to know if they're bluffing, or if it's obsolete, or if it's for reals. How should we proceed? Kate says "there's an upcoming court hearing in Washington State, perhaps we should act and rally support." #action: Alison will lead the coordination of this topic for (among) the people in the Vegas team. First steps, talk to Kate and Mike and Georg. 5) Tor Messenger sure needs secure update to work. It's the single biggest problem with using Tor Messenger now. Arlo said it would be $12k or less -- less with help from Pearl Crescent and Nicolas. This ties into our global priorities question, so we don't need to decide today. #action: Shari approves $12k, and Roger will move it forward. 6) I hear there's a hidden service hackfest being planned in Montreal in May. Now you know. 7) In Valencia I talked to OTF about them funding an audit on little-t-tor. They're now excited to do it, and they keep wanting to do phone calls. Who can I pass this to? #action: Isabela is excited for it but not now. Roger will reply telling them May is a better timeframe. 8) Retrospective on this Vegas team format: is IRC working? Is this Vegas thing in general working? Consensus is that people are surprised but yes, irc seems to be working well for the meeting.
Mike: 1) I met with funders last Friday at RightsCon and gave Shari those notes. 2) Emailing with CloudFlare; Our "Good Cop/Bad Cop" strategy with us being the Good Cop and our users+community being the Bad Cop seems to be working. They are moving on some things. I am still pushing for Tor read whitelisting and way simpler captchas. I am also collecting issues from people who report them. #action: Alison will help to gather more user stories. 3) Talking with Google Project Shield to try to see if they would talk publicly about how they handle Tor (they said they don't compete directly with CloudFlare - not the same services, so they didn't want to make noise about it). 4) Talking with Google Search about unblocking Tor; They flagged that disconnect.me (our Tor Browser search engine) is not using an API key and this may violate their terms of service. I said we'd be happy to go back to them if they unblocked us. Otherwise, I think the fight is between disconnect.me and Google, and we stay out of it. 5) Gave Kate some suggestions to say to Chris about the FBI 0-day and gathering more info.
I have been dropping: 1) The Blog upgrade contract #needs-attention: We should move forward the thread with Kevin re contract details, and also move forward the pantheon hosting decision thread. 2) Firefox network code review (I promised GeKo I would write up what I had, but then the CloudFlare emails started. Will do that write-up today, now). 3) tor-core release planning details and related work.
For next week: I'll continue to gather user stories about the cloudflare issue, and email them. I'm also going to meet with Isabela about release planning, and probably also sketch an outline of the OTF proposal.
Georg: 1) We are moving slower to esr45 than I hoped but we got another week (from Mozilla's delay), and that should be fine. 2) OS X signing works. But we have the wrong cert (app store cert vs gatekeeper cert). #action: Mike is going to get us a new cert.
Karsten: 1) iwakeh started working on collector and (to some smaller extent) on metrics-lib. We had a first team meeting with iwakeh today which went great. All in all, yay. 2) When writing my monthly report for March, I noticed that not many people are still writing those these days. I looked at tor-reports@ archives and found that there's roughly a dozen people and teams who write monthly reports, which includes people here (GeKo, isabela, myself), other people paid by Tor (asn, dgoulet, Pearl Crescent, Leiah, Colin), very dedicated volunteers (atagar), and teams (SponsorR, Core Tor, Tor Browser Team, OONI team). And there are a few people and teams who occasionally write monthly reports (isis, Sebastian, Tails). But where are the monthly reports from other people here and from other people paid by Tor? IMHO we should either decide that it's not a requirement anymore to write monthly reports, or we should lead by example and ask paid team members to write reports. #needs-attention: we should figure out a sustainable plan for keeping everybody informed of everything. Mike pointed out that the Vegas team structure could play a role here. 3) should we clean up and send out notes after every meeting or once per month? #conclusion: we should send them after every meeting
Thanks for writing this Karsten! Great read as always.
- When writing my monthly report for March, I noticed that not many
people are still writing those these days...
For what it's worth this is something I've mentioned a few times over the months.
12:27 < atagar> Once upon a time a monthly update to tor-reports@ was mandatory for all paid folks. For several months though many folks have been missing. Andrew was enforcing this rule so it might have gone with him but personally I thought it was a good one.
Personally I'd like to see them more. I'm curious what folks are up to, especially if they're funded.
- We need to restructure the network team so that we don't have a
situation where everybody else's job is "the problem I'm most interested in!" and Nick's job is "whatever nobody else was excited to do." It will take a while; ***Isabela is helping.
This sounds a little odd. For volunteers of course "the problem I'm most interested in!" is exactly what they should be doing. As for funded folks though they have deliverables. Is the concern that funded folks aren't working on those deliverables, or that the deliverables don't match "whatever nobody else was excited to do."?
Cheers! -Damian
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Hi Damian,
On 08/04/16 18:00, Damian Johnson wrote:
Thanks for writing this Karsten! Great read as always.
Great to hear that you enjoyed reading them. But I want to make it clear that Roger did most of the work here by writing these notes during the meeting. I just took care of cleaning them up a tiny bit and sending them to the list.
- When writing my monthly report for March, I noticed that not
many people are still writing those these days...
For what it's worth this is something I've mentioned a few times over the months.
12:27 < atagar> Once upon a time a monthly update to tor-reports@ was mandatory for all paid folks. For several months though many folks have been missing. Andrew was enforcing this rule so it might have gone with him but personally I thought it was a good one.
Personally I'd like to see them more. I'm curious what folks are up to, especially if they're funded.
Agreed. We were already past the 60-minute meeting time and we lost Shari due to networking problems. I think we're going to discuss this topic again next week.
- We need to restructure the network team so that we don't have
a situation where everybody else's job is "the problem I'm most interested in!" and Nick's job is "whatever nobody else was excited to do." It will take a while; ***Isabela is helping.
This sounds a little odd. For volunteers of course "the problem I'm most interested in!" is exactly what they should be doing. As for funded folks though they have deliverables. Is the concern that funded folks aren't working on those deliverables, or that the deliverables don't match "whatever nobody else was excited to do."?
I'm afraid I can't comment on this one. But maybe Nick reads this and has more thoughts to share.
All the best, Karsten
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