Re: [tor-dev] Starting with contributing to Anonymous Local Count Statistics.
Hey! What is the current status of the project, how much work has been done and where can I pick up from? On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 3:04 PM, Aruna Maurya <aruna.maurya12@gmail.com> wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: George Kadianakis <desnacked@riseup.net> Date: Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [tor-dev] Starting with contributing to Anonymous Local Count Statistics. To: Aruna Maurya <aruna.maurya12@gmail.com>, tor-dev@lists.torproject.org
Aruna Maurya <aruna.maurya12@gmail.com> writes:
[ text/plain ] Hey!
I was going through the Tor Volunteer page and came across the Anonymous local count statistics project. As a student it would be a great starting point and an even bigger opportunity to get a chance to collaborate and learn in the process.
I would like to contribute to it, and would love to start as soon as possible. It would be great if someone could guide me through.
Hello Aruna,
thanks for reaching out.
I also find this project interesting. I'd like to help you but my time is quite limited lately.
What would you like guidance with?
With regards to design, I suggest you take a look at the last comments of this trac ticket: https://trac.torproject.org/pr ojects/tor/ticket/7532#comment:22 Particularly it seems like the PCSA algorithm might be a reasonable way forward.
With regards to coding, I suggest you familiarize yourself with the Tor codebase. Some specific places to look at would be the way that Tor currently counts users. For example, see geoip_note_client_seen() and its callers, for when bridges register new clients to their stats subsystem. Also check geoip_format_bridge_stats() for when bridges finally report those stats.
Let us know if you have any specific questions!
Cheers!
-- Regards, Aruna Maurya, CSE,B.tech, Blog <https://themindreserves.wordpress.com/> | Medium <https://medium.com/@arunamaurya>
-- Regards, Aruna Maurya, CSE,B.tech, Blog <https://themindreserves.wordpress.com/> | Medium <https://medium.com/@arunamaurya>
Aruna Maurya <aruna.maurya12@gmail.com> writes:
[ text/plain ] Hey!
What is the current status of the project, how much work has been done and where can I pick up from?
Hi! The project is currently not being worked on. Mainly design work has been done so far; no code has been written. See: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-dev/2017-March/012001.html https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-dev/2017-March/012073.html I suggest you pick it up by fleshing out the design work and seeing if it works for you, and then checking out the code to see where you need to inject the code. Perhaps you can also get in touch with Jaskaran Singh (jvsg1303@gmail.com) who did all the previous design work to see if he is interested in collaborating! Cheers!
On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 3:04 PM, Aruna Maurya <aruna.maurya12@gmail.com> wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: George Kadianakis <desnacked@riseup.net> Date: Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [tor-dev] Starting with contributing to Anonymous Local Count Statistics. To: Aruna Maurya <aruna.maurya12@gmail.com>, tor-dev@lists.torproject.org
Aruna Maurya <aruna.maurya12@gmail.com> writes:
[ text/plain ] Hey!
I was going through the Tor Volunteer page and came across the Anonymous local count statistics project. As a student it would be a great starting point and an even bigger opportunity to get a chance to collaborate and learn in the process.
I would like to contribute to it, and would love to start as soon as possible. It would be great if someone could guide me through.
Hello Aruna,
thanks for reaching out.
I also find this project interesting. I'd like to help you but my time is quite limited lately.
What would you like guidance with?
With regards to design, I suggest you take a look at the last comments of this trac ticket: https://trac.torproject.org/pr ojects/tor/ticket/7532#comment:22 Particularly it seems like the PCSA algorithm might be a reasonable way forward.
With regards to coding, I suggest you familiarize yourself with the Tor codebase. Some specific places to look at would be the way that Tor currently counts users. For example, see geoip_note_client_seen() and its callers, for when bridges register new clients to their stats subsystem. Also check geoip_format_bridge_stats() for when bridges finally report those stats.
Let us know if you have any specific questions!
Cheers!
-- Regards, Aruna Maurya, CSE,B.tech, Blog <https://themindreserves.wordpress.com/> | Medium <https://medium.com/@arunamaurya>
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Hi, I thought the project idea had already been depreciated in favor of counting unique users by directory fetches. No? Regards, Jaskaran On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 3:48 PM, George Kadianakis <desnacked@riseup.net> wrote:
Aruna Maurya <aruna.maurya12@gmail.com> writes:
[ text/plain ] Hey!
What is the current status of the project, how much work has been done and where can I pick up from?
Hi!
The project is currently not being worked on.
Mainly design work has been done so far; no code has been written. See: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-dev/2017-March/ 012001.html https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-dev/2017-March/ 012073.html
I suggest you pick it up by fleshing out the design work and seeing if it works for you, and then checking out the code to see where you need to inject the code. Perhaps you can also get in touch with Jaskaran Singh (jvsg1303@gmail.com) who did all the previous design work to see if he is interested in collaborating!
Cheers!
On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 3:04 PM, Aruna Maurya <aruna.maurya12@gmail.com> wrote:
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: George Kadianakis <desnacked@riseup.net> Date: Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [tor-dev] Starting with contributing to Anonymous Local
Count
Statistics. To: Aruna Maurya <aruna.maurya12@gmail.com>, tor-dev@lists.torproject.org
Aruna Maurya <aruna.maurya12@gmail.com> writes:
[ text/plain ] Hey!
I was going through the Tor Volunteer page and came across the Anonymous local count statistics project. As a student it would be a great starting point and an even bigger opportunity to get a chance to collaborate and learn in the process.
I would like to contribute to it, and would love to start as soon as possible. It would be great if someone could guide me through.
Hello Aruna,
thanks for reaching out.
I also find this project interesting. I'd like to help you but my time is quite limited lately.
What would you like guidance with?
With regards to design, I suggest you take a look at the last comments of this trac ticket: https://trac.torproject.org/pr ojects/tor/ticket/7532#comment:22 Particularly it seems like the PCSA algorithm might be a reasonable way forward.
With regards to coding, I suggest you familiarize yourself with the Tor codebase. Some specific places to look at would be the way that Tor currently counts users. For example, see geoip_note_client_seen() and its callers, for when bridges register new clients to their stats subsystem. Also check geoip_format_bridge_stats() for when bridges finally report those stats.
Let us know if you have any specific questions!
Cheers!
-- Regards, Aruna Maurya, CSE,B.tech, Blog <https://themindreserves.wordpress.com/> | Medium <https://medium.com/@arunamaurya>
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Jaskaran Singh <jvsg1303@gmail.com> writes:
[ text/plain ] Hi,
I thought the project idea had already been depreciated in favor of counting unique users by directory fetches. No?
Yes, we do count unique users by directory fetches for the "active Tor users" metric: https://metrics.torproject.org/userstats-relay-country.html But we also use in-memory data structures tracking IP addresses to count unique users per-country: https://metrics.torproject.org/userstats-bridge-combined.html?start=2017-11-... I was not aware that we are planning to deprecate the latter in favor of counting directory fetches. Did you get that from somewhere? Perhaps it could make sense, not sure. Cheers!
Hi, Oops. I meant "counting unique users just like we do with directory fetches". The argument given was that most users are already behind NAT and hence counting unique IP addrs would not be accurate anyway. It was suggested that we count per connection country statistics (that is, total number of connections coming from a country) and divide that by average number of connections a user makes, to arrive at estimated number of unique users. I cannot find where I got to know this. Maybe on IRC, but I don't have logs of an year ago. Also, the Metrics team has(?) to come up with a proposal on this IIRC. Until then it would not be considered a valid project? Karsten would have something to say on this. cc: karsten On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 4:33 PM, George Kadianakis <desnacked@riseup.net> wrote:
Jaskaran Singh <jvsg1303@gmail.com> writes:
[ text/plain ] Hi,
I thought the project idea had already been depreciated in favor of counting unique users by directory fetches. No?
Yes, we do count unique users by directory fetches for the "active Tor users" metric: https://metrics.torproject.org/userstats-relay-country.html
But we also use in-memory data structures tracking IP addresses to count unique users per-country: https://metrics.torproject. org/userstats-bridge-combined.html?start=2017-11-04&end= 2018-02-02&country=dz
I was not aware that we are planning to deprecate the latter in favor of counting directory fetches. Did you get that from somewhere? Perhaps it could make sense, not sure.
Cheers!
Hi, On 02/02/18 12:08, Jaskaran Singh wrote:
Also, the Metrics team has(?) to come up with a proposal on this IIRC. Until then it would not be considered a valid project?
Considered a valid project by whom? Metrics is currently very busy and may not have time to assist with the project, but it doesn't mean that the work shouldn't be done or that it isn't "valid". It's more important that the project is safe than that Metrics has put time into it. If the work shows promise then maybe that would be a reason for Metrics to reprioritise it later. Until an analysis of the safety is done (which may have already happened from the design, I've not followed this) just use a test network for the development. In this way, you can only be attacking yourself. Thanks, Iain.
Hey! Is anybody willing to mentor me on this project? On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 4:19 PM, Iain Learmonth <irl@torproject.org> wrote:
Hi,
On 02/02/18 12:08, Jaskaran Singh wrote:
Also, the Metrics team has(?) to come up with a proposal on this IIRC. Until then it would not be considered a valid project?
Considered a valid project by whom?
Metrics is currently very busy and may not have time to assist with the project, but it doesn't mean that the work shouldn't be done or that it isn't "valid".
It's more important that the project is safe than that Metrics has put time into it. If the work shows promise then maybe that would be a reason for Metrics to reprioritise it later.
Until an analysis of the safety is done (which may have already happened from the design, I've not followed this) just use a test network for the development. In this way, you can only be attacking yourself.
Thanks, Iain.
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