On 10 March 2015 at 11:22, John Lee iratemonkey@gmx.com wrote:
For devs,
- Where can I get a previous version of Tor Bundle for Windows? I'm looking
for the version when it jumped from Firefox 24 ESR (or something below Firefox 28.0) to the new Firefox GUI that occurred when going above version 28.0
https://archive.torproject.org/tor-package-archive/torbrowser/ I can't tell you which version, but you can find it here.
- How involved would it be to use a current version of TOR (like 4.0.4,
etc) but match it with a Firefox 28.0 version or lower? (if I wanted to do it for my own use only)
4.0.4 is the version of the entire Tor Browser Bundle archive. You could fairly easily use an old Firefox version, and point it at a local little-t tor instance but you would not be running Tor Browser, and would lose the fingerprinting, unlinkability, and proxy bypass defenses. You could also use an old version of Tor Browser Bundle that used an old version of Firefox, and point it at a recent version of little-t tor, but you'd lose the protections where you need it the most.
In general, running old versions of FF/TBB is not recommended. Maybe you could elaborate on why you want to, so we can understand why the current version doesn't work for you?
- Why is the little orion icon missing in TOR 4.0.4 bundle for Windows? Now
Tor bundle looks exactly the same as regular Firefox and Firefox GUI looks like Chrome. There is very little visual differentiation left and this is a bit of a concern that I might accidentally cross containmenate.
Sounds like bug I'm not familiar with...
-tom
I only have time to reply back to your reply on part 3 tonight, but it is not a 'bug', this seems to be done on purpose.
> 3) Why is the little orion icon missing in TOR 4.0.4 bundle for Windows? Now > Tor bundle looks exactly the same as regular Firefox and Firefox GUI looks > like Chrome. There is very little visual differentiation left and this is a > bit of a concern that I might accidentally cross containmenate.
So, I really meant, in the system tray (assuming this is Windows), that little Onion router icon (the one that turns yellow, green) is gone....
Since the early versions of TOR ( I still use this one I customized back in 2010 - five years ago : http://sourceforge.net/projects/securitytor/ )
Since the early versions of TOR, each new version has been from the interface/UI standpoint more and more dumped down... almost like way of the Windows 8 "metro" interface, flat design tiles, the whole world moving to cloud first, mobile first, and all that good stuff...
Firefox has started copying Google's Chrome with the massive iteration/upgrade numerical versioning inflation counts, and installing a maintenence as a service forcing and deepthroating everyone to immediately upgrade upgrade upgrade...
Problem is this, now Firefox has gone like full on google, Ads in the browser itself all about monetization, etc....
This is why for non-Tor use, I'm sticking with Firefox 28.0 and will never move to the newer ad infested versions and the change of interface GUI that looks almost identical to Chrome.
it is many steps backwards in my opinion....
And the dumbing down of TOR, at least from the UI/interface perspective is not good.
Sure I'll still use slax/tails, but Tor bundle for Windows by default is getting worse and worse.
prime example, why the heck is noscript turned off by default on TOR, and flash/silverlight/javascript not even blocked?
---- On Wed, 11 Mar 2015 03:56:04 +0000 Tom Ritter <tom@ritter.vg> wrote ----
On 10 March 2015 at 11:22, John Lee <iratemonkey@gmx.com> wrote: > For devs, > > 1) Where can I get a previous version of Tor Bundle for Windows? I'm looking > for the version when it jumped from Firefox 24 ESR (or something below > Firefox 28.0) to the new Firefox GUI that occurred when going above version > 28.0
https://archive.torproject.org/tor-package-archive/torbrowser/ I can't tell you which version, but you can find it here.
> 2) How involved would it be to use a current version of TOR (like 4.0.4, > etc) but match it with a Firefox 28.0 version or lower? (if I wanted to do > it for my own use only)
4.0.4 is the version of the entire Tor Browser Bundle archive. You could fairly easily use an old Firefox version, and point it at a local little-t tor instance but you would not be running Tor Browser, and would lose the fingerprinting, unlinkability, and proxy bypass defenses. You could also use an old version of Tor Browser Bundle that used an old version of Firefox, and point it at a recent version of little-t tor, but you'd lose the protections where you need it the most.
In general, running old versions of FF/TBB is not recommended. Maybe you could elaborate on why you want to, so we can understand why the current version doesn't work for you?
> 3) Why is the little orion icon missing in TOR 4.0.4 bundle for Windows? Now > Tor bundle looks exactly the same as regular Firefox and Firefox GUI looks > like Chrome. There is very little visual differentiation left and this is a > bit of a concern that I might accidentally cross containmenate.
Sounds like bug I'm not familiar with...
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On 3/10/2015 9:20 PM, iratemonkey wrote:
I only have time to reply back to your reply on part 3 tonight, but it is not a 'bug', this seems to be done on purpose.
- Why is the little orion icon missing in TOR 4.0.4 bundle for
Windows? Now
Tor bundle looks exactly the same as regular Firefox and Firefox GUI
looks
like Chrome. There is very little visual differentiation left and
this is a
bit of a concern that I might accidentally cross containmenate.
So, I really meant, in the system tray (assuming this is Windows), that little Onion router icon (the one that turns yellow, green) is gone....
I think the icon you are referring to is actually part of Vidalia. It's removal from TBB has been lamented by many because it had a lot of nice features that are now missing from the bundle. There is a stand alone version of Vidalia that, for now, gets back much of the missing functionality.
Since the early versions of TOR ( I still use this one I customized back in 2010 - five years ago : http://sourceforge.net/projects/securitytor/ )
Since the early versions of TOR, each new version has been from the interface/UI standpoint more and more dumped down... almost like way of the Windows 8 "metro" interface, flat design tiles, the whole world moving to cloud first, mobile first, and all that good stuff...
The goodness of that stuff is open to debate.
Firefox has started copying Google's Chrome with the massive iteration/upgrade numerical versioning inflation counts, and installing a maintenence as a service forcing and deepthroating everyone to immediately upgrade upgrade upgrade...
Problem is this, now Firefox has gone like full on google, Ads in the browser itself all about monetization, etc....
This is why for non-Tor use, I'm sticking with Firefox 28.0 and will never move to the newer ad infested versions and the change of interface GUI that looks almost identical to Chrome.
it is many steps backwards in my opinion....
And the dumbing down of TOR, at least from the UI/interface perspective is not good. Sure I'll still use slax/tails, but Tor bundle for Windows by default is getting worse and worse. prime example, why the heck is noscript turned off by default on TOR, and flash/silverlight/javascript not even blocked?
I also wish the TBB developers had enough respect for the users to let them use the product as they see fit.
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