Nima:
Sherief Alaa:
But this is all an endless chain because lets say I download TBB, then download gpg to verify it but then how do I make sure that gpg it self wasn't tampered with? (assuming I don't have it installed already.)
Indeed that's an endless chain and turtles all the way down. plus (as you already mentioned) you also need to install gpg for osx and windows;
Yes.
Which in windows case there's absolutely no secure way to download pgp itself.
I agree.
(There is at least a more secure than no security at all way to obtain it.) [tor-talk] Getting a GnuPG version for Windows in a secure way https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-talk/2013-August/029256.html
Poor windows users are screwed by *design*
That being said, I totally support making this process easier. In fact, I dream a day where TBB could itself (or TorButton perhaps) check and see if all of it's executable files are identical to the latest version on repository in a secure way without confusing (or even say noticing) the average user.
Maybe this can be part of the auto-update project?
This wouldn't solve how users could safely obtain it in the first place. Having the auto-updater working is a separate issue worth solving.
But whatever it is, it can't be a simple tiny app.
I totally agreed with that in a separate mail.