Some interesting points, guys, thank you for sending them. Perhaps I will change my opinion one day and if I do I'm sure some of your thoughts on the subject will contribute to that. Best,
- Bstro
p.s. I'm well aware that Proton Mail has .onion sites. I have nothing against them for having .onion websites. The same way I'm not against Qubes or even Tor for having .onion sites. As to why I use it... I'm not sure to be honest. I study and work in the security field so I guess like most of us I'm just paranoid.
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-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [tor-dev] Agnostic Tools: Code Dev and Support For Local Time: January 11, 2018 8:00 PM UTC Time: January 11, 2018 8:00 PM From: nullius@nym.zone To: tor-dev@lists.torproject.org
On 2018-01-10 11:22:22 at +0000, Beastr0 beastr0@protonmail.com wrote:
I don't really care what I work on, except I do not support .onion websites (though I am willing to be convinced otherwise) so I would prefer not to participate directly in their development. [...] Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email.
On 2018-01-11 18:36:21 at +0000, grarpamp grarpamp@gmail.com wrote:
Philosophical... Why does someone want to support and develop for Tor, or any other overlay p2p anonymity network, or crypto, for that matter? When even a fix to the manpage could be read and used by onion users and operators, same for metrics, lists, or any other part of the ecosystem. Does one fear "bad" things, association, or support "good" things?
I immediately observed that “Beastr0” posted via a Protonmail address. Whereas Protonmail supports .onion, and has its own .onion:
https://protonirockerxow.onion/
https://protonmail.com/blog/tor-encrypted-email/
https://protonmail.com/blog/protonmail-tor-censorship/
https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/tor-setup/
Why does an individual who does not support .onion use a service which promotes its own .onion?
Philosophical...
Tor supports the right to read.
Imagine that you were in the biggest library in the world—but a librarian (or security camera) watched over your shoulder to observe and record everything you read. You’d find that you self-censor your selections. You would avoid anything too controversial—even if it were something you wanted to read so that you could write an argument against it! You would only read things you guess were acceptable to those watching you. Adapt “Beastr0’s” statement, “I would prefer to not have my real name attached” (to this controversial book).
That is the Web without Tor. Tor shields readers from the shoulder-surfing librarian, the eye-tracking security cameras which observe each word you read, the third-party analytics trackers and “social media” buttons...
Tor also supports the right to write.
The ability to read without being tracked must be matched by the ability to publish anonymously, or pseudonymously. The right of anonymous publication is the cornerstone of the freedom of speech. .onion protects that right.
/*
.onion also has many additional uses; for but a few examples:
Taking load off exit nodes; e.g. if you run Debian, switch your
apt updates to download from the repositories listed at
https://onion.debian.org/ A/K/A http://5nca3wxl33tzlzj5.onion/ .
See also https://onion.torproject.org/
A/K/A http://yz7lpwfhhzcdyc5y.onion/ .
Enabling Bitcoin nodes to accept incoming connections without
exposing their IP addresses.
Enabling communications tools such as Ricochet.
[...add your own here...]
*/
Pens... write code.
Code is speech. I observe that just as many fine .onion operators, “Beastr0” desires to exercise the right to publish free speech under a pseudonym:
On 2018-01-10 00:38:47 at +0000, Beastr0 beastr0@protonmail.com wrote:
For the time being I would prefer to not have my real name attached to Tor so I hope you don't mind if I introduce myself as Beastro. I love Tor and its mission.
I hope that “Beastr0” will reconsider his/her/its pseudonymously expressed opposition to .onion.
/*
Cf. my current .sig motto, a matter of conceptual juxtaposition in
popular propaganda as observed by yours truly. I am innocent.
Aren’t “bad guys” the ones who should be tapped, tracked, and
searched? How does anybody dare suggest that I should submit to
surveillance because I am innocent, i.e. “have nothing to hide”?
“‘If you’re not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide.’
“No! Because I do nothing wrong, I have nothing to show.”
— nullius@nym.zone
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#endif / !ON_TOPIC_FOR_DEV_LIST */
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