[ux] Fwd: Mobile Tor Browser branding discussion

[Georg Koppen]

Nathan of Guardian:
> 
> On Mon, May 23, 2016, at 06:01 AM, Georg Koppen wrote:
>>> The only caveat is that this Tor Browser on mobile, is never going to
>>> have the security features of the Tor Browser on desktop. At least not
>>> anytime soon.
>>
>> I don't think this is true. All Tor Browser promises is to behave
>> according to its design specification, not more and not less. If you
>> take a look at https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser/design/
>> and read section 2 and 3 carefully then I think it gets obvious that
>> there should be no *technical* reason for not having a Tor Browser on
>> Android in general. 
> 
> It is great to hear that you think we can achieve parity. I had started
> giving up on that goal, to be honest, partly due to limited resources
> and need to get some better solution out there than Orweb offered. 
> 
> One of the main issues I have concern with still is around browser
> fingerprinting vectors for things like window size, that we can't
> control at all on mobile. Perhaps that will turn out to be a small
> enough set, that we all are comfortable with it being on the short list
> of caveats.

Yes, or we may find some fancy solutions that are mobile-specific which
would be fine as well.

[snip]

>> What currently prevents OrFox from being relabled and rebranded as "Tor
>> Browser" has non-technical reasons: OrFox is not being developed/has not
>> been fully reviewed and fully endorsed by the Tor Project. But that
> 
> I think by this you mean "paid staff and contractors working on Tor
> Browser", because as has been stated in the past, I am as much member of
> the Tor Project as anyone. Additionally Tor has provided two GSoC slots
> for Orfox in the last three years, and through that process and work in
> between, we have aimed for as much technical excellence as possible. 
> The use of the Orfox name should not imply any less endorsement or
> technical merit, but instead, it was our practical acceptance that we
> hadn't yet earned the name Tor Browser, in terms of capabilities offered
> and living up to the design document spec.

Well, I was speaking of the blessing given by Tor Project, Inc. which
holds the trademarks/is interested in branding decisions etc. and not
about the Tor Project. So, yes, you are right and, FWIW, I did not mean
to imply that OrFox was/is a badly designed product. Quite to the
contrary, I think all involved did a good job given the resources that
were/are available.

>> could be worked out, I guess, and would allow the big win of having a
>> unified and easily recognizable brand across desktop and mobile
>> platforms.
> 
> Sounds great to me. Look forward to sorting out the remaining details to
> make this happen.

Yeah, same here.

Georg

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