[tor-talk] Nice to meet you! / WhatsApp by Tor?

Tue Apr 16 19:19:46 UTC 2019

Em ter, 16 de abr de 2019 às 13:35, Cyaniventer <cyaniventer at riseup.net>
escreveu:

> On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 13:05:50 -0400
> "GTI .H" <gti9070h at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Em ter, 16 de abr de 2019 às 12:33, Cyaniventer
> > <cyaniventer at riseup.net> escreveu:
> >
> > > No! Don't use it if you are actually very serious about this.
> > >
> >
> > Well, my mistake can cost me my life.
> > My country is one of those who has blocked WhatsApp and dings who
> > tries to show their abuses. It is repressive, but for some reason the
> > world sees it with good eyes, perhaps because it is not openly
> > declared socialist, but it is certainly authoritarian, corrupt and
> > very dangerous and constantly puts innocents in jail without the
> > slightest humanitarian feeling.
>
> My advice is to stay away from Tor. DO NOT connect to Tor network
> directly because if they are blocking whatsapp then probably there are
> idiots in power and they would do the same thing for using Tor.
>

Excuse me if I get it wrong, but are you worried about me or the Tor
network? heheheh...

They are not blocking WhatsApp currently, I said they have blocked in the
past. And Tor I think it was never blocked except for some sites like
Interpol, I do not know why. Why???
There is no doubt that there are idiots in power, and the thing is even
worse, we have a "*Big Dog Fight*", some order to block/arrest, then others
order to unblock/free, is a "*Russian Roulette*", TOTAL legal insecurity.

> > > or whatever you want and set that vpn to
> > > > > `always on`. Idk what else you can do, also your first method of
> > > > > routing your traffic through your computer is not that good.
> > > > >
> > > > Why?
> > >
> > > because what if something fails somewhere and your ip gets leaked?
> > > are you really sure that everything you've setup will work without
> > > fail? Also see nathan at freitas.net 's email, > Since WhatsApp is
> > > executable code on your Android phone, it can access information
> > > about your device directly. This includes accessing your "real" IP
> > > address through local network information APIs.
> > >
> >
> > That's why I'm here asking, I'm not sure of anything.
>
> If they've blocked whatsapp and you can face jail time for using it,
> then don't use it. If you want to talk encrypted with your
> friends/families then there are lots of other services that support end
> to end encryption. signal, wire, keybase, email with gpg, xmpp, matrix,
> (tutanota, protonmail - both, not good but okay in this case).
>

No, the arrest is for those who speak what they do not want.
The goal is to talk with  friends/familie and all other professionals.

> On android download f-droid (https://f-droid.org) and look for delta
> chat, that probably makes email with gpg easier. For gpg download
> openkeychain. you can also use k9-mail if you don't care about the ui.
>
> for gpg resources see:
> https://invidio.us/watch?v=4PZb0tkxuUk,
> https://invidio.us/watch?v=GSIDS_lvRv4,
> and links below.
>

Thanks for the tip, but this will isolate me from others in our unique ways
of communicating.

> I'll take a look, but what the best current way is the physical
> > protection how to use public WiFi far.
> > It's disappointing.
>
> Yes, feels bad. Internet was meant to be open for everyone.
>
> Jailtime for using something like whatsapp is insanity, they will fill
> up the jails real quick if they try to arrest everyone. Do they only
> arrest those who speak against them, or everyone? You have to decide
> for yourself what you are going to do about this.
>
> These websites have good information and you should read it all.
> https://ssd.eff.org/
> https://sec.eff.org/
> https://riseup.net/en/security

Jailtimeis is for what we speak.
We are breaking records of prisons, here everyone is called bandit for
almost nothing. The repression is very strong. They create a mythological
fugue, such as "bandit", they point the finger at someone and everyone runs
off the poor, it's lynching all the time, we have a genocide in full swing,
it dies more here than Russia and the US can kill together in the war
against ISIS in Syria.

> The real question should've been, `how do I hide my whatsapp usage from
> my government/isp?`. You should always explain what you are trying to
> achieve and not how you would achieve the method you thought. Maybe
> someone will have some other idea that is better than yours.
>

We can use WhatsApp, we can not talk what they do not like!
It would be "How do I hide my whatsapp origin IP from
my government / isp?"

> Anyways, I looked up that article and read it and I wouldn't recommend
> doing that because you can still get it wrong and thats going to be
> very bad in your case. Also see, https://tails.boum.org/
>
> Connect to Tor through a bridge and not directly. See
> https://invidio.us/watch?v=DkEqWGF3cvg,
> https://invidio.us/watch?v=VmsFxBEN3fc,
> https://invidio.us/watch?v=JWII85UlzKw,
> https://bridges.torproject.org/

Thank you, I have much to read and study, I thought that someone had
already walked this path and would have the solution more ready.

-- 
Regards
GTI