[tor-talk] Escape NSA just to enter commercial surveillance?

[Trigger Talk]

Anybody have any experience with orbot/ orweb for android?
On Jan 16, 2016 12:50 PM, "juan" <juan.g71 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 15 Jan 2016 23:34:00 -0700
> Mirimir <mirimir at riseup.net> wrote:
>
> > On 01/15/2016 01:11 PM, juan wrote:
> >
> > I like your attitude, juan, but recommending proxies is dangerous :(
>
>
>         I'm not really recommending anything, just making some
>         observations.
>
>
>
> >
> > >     Fact remains : in the vast majority of cases a single
> > > ordinary proxy will prevent a company like facebook from
> > >     learning where you are or who you are.
> >
> > It's possible. But most users will not know how to test, and will just
> > blindly assume that they're safe.
>
>
>         Well, that may be so, but that's a general problem. People
>         ahould study the systems they use.
>
>
> >
> > >     I think VPNs are routinely used by people who share files -
> > >     something considered a 'crime' by the criminal mafia knonw
> > > as 'government' - and yet the identity of those people isn't
> > >     compromised.
> >
> > VPN services, as long as they don't leak or fail open, are actually
> > fairly safe for torrenting and streaming. But those are not "crimes".
> > You get sued for copyright violation. When there are "crimes"
> > involved, LEA go after VPN services and their ISPs, and all bets are
> > off.
>
>         Not meaning to get into an academic discussion, but...
>
>         https://www.lib.purdue.edu/uco/CopyrightBasics/penalties.html
>
>         "Copyright infringement is the act of violating any of a
>         copyright owner’s exclusive rights"
>
>         "Infringer pays ... damages and profits."
>
>         "from $200 to $150,000 for each work infringed."
>
>         "pays for all attorneys fees and court costs."
>
>         " infringer can go to jail."
>
>         Again, this is a 'crime' only because the government criminals
>         say so but regardless, it can be a dangerous and costly activity
>         and resisting the 'authority' of the government criminals will
>         get you murdered in no time.
>
>         I do agree that if you use a VPN to do something that upsets
>         the government mafia more than 'piracy' does, then the risks are
>         even higher.
>
> >
> > >     ...and using the bittorrent network is more risky than
> > > logging into NSA-Facebook.
> >
> > That's debatable. It depends on what you're doing on Facebook.
>
>         Well, I'm thinking about typical use cases like posting
>         picutres of cats =)
>
>         Posting anything more outrageous, like a pair of tits, is a
>         crime punishable by the facebook police.
>
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>
>
> > I agree that Facebook's real-name policy renders this rather
> > pointless. If you're a Chinese dissident, how does it help to
> > circumvent GFW and hide your location when you reveal your real name?
>
>
>         If you are a 'chinese dissident' why would you bother posting on
>         facebook anyway?
>
>
> > I used to have a Facebook account, but it disappeared when I couldn't
> > provide a working number for text verification :(
>
>
>         Well, truth be told, it seems to be possible to register
>         accounts from argentina without giving any real information.
>         Then again, I've done that using my local ISP, not a proxy.
>
>
> >
> > <SNIP>
> >
>
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