[tor-talk] Tor -> VPN Clarification

[Seth]

On Sat, 31 Jan 2015 17:47:20 -0800, Mirimir <mirimir at riseup.net> wrote:

> On 01/31/2015 11:12 AM, Patrick Schleizer wrote:
>> See also:
>> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/TorPlusVPN
>
> | you -> VPN/SSH -> Tor
> |
> | You can route Tor through VPN/SSH services. That might prevent
> | your ISP etc from seeing that you're using Tor (VPN/SSH
> | Fingerprinting below). On one hand, VPNs are more popular than
> | Tor, so you won't stand out as much, on the other hand, in some
> | countries replacing an encrypted Tor connection with an encrypted
> | VPN or SSH connection, will be suspicious as well. SSH tunnels
> | are not so popular.
> |
> | Once the VPN client has connected, the VPN tunnel will be the
> | machine's default Internet connection, and TBB (Tor Browser
> | Bundle) (or Tor client) will route through it.
> |
> | This can be a fine idea, assuming your VPN/SSH provider's
> | network is in fact sufficiently safer than your own network.
> |
> | Another advantage here is that it prevents Tor from seeing who
> | you are behind the VPN/SSH. So if somebody does manage to break
> | Tor and learn the IP address your traffic is coming from, but
> | your VPN/SSH was actually following through on their promises
> | (they won't watch, they won't remember, and they will somehow
> | magically make it so nobody else is watching either), then
> | you'll be better off.
>
> OK, that seems about right.
>
> How is that consistent with "go to jail"?

I didn't make the claim, I just linked to it. If you want to challenge the  
claim, best take it up with the person making it.

I think he makes a good point in this slide however.

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* VPNs provides _privacy_

* TOR provides _anonymity_

* Confuse the two at your peril