[tor-talk] "Hidden Services" vs "Onion services"

Virgil Griffith i at virgil.gr
Thu Nov 13 04:38:23 UTC 2014

I'll start trying "onion service" and just see if it catches on.


On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Roger Dingledine <arma at mit.edu> wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 03:39:05PM -0800, Virgil Griffith wrote:
>> I am working on fixing up some aspects of tor2web.  I've heard talk of
>> using the term "onion service" or "tor service" instead of "hidden
>> service".  I actually like both of these better than "hidden service"
>> (which I feel is too ambiguous about which aspects are
>> hidden/not-hidden).
> Hi Virgil,
> I think onion service is a fine phrase. It makes people have to learn
> what it is rather than guessing (and often guessing wrong).
> I worry that "Tor service" will confuse people, first because it might
> make them think it's a thing run by Tor, but second because it might
> reinforce that this use case of Tor is what Tor is. (I already have
> journalists contacting me asking if other social media sites should
> let their users reach them via Tor, and that isn't what they mean to be
> asking but here we are.)
> I also floated the phrase "protected service" on
> https://blog.torproject.org/blog/facebook-hidden-services-and-https-certs
> but I don't think it stuck (and also it's a bit klunky).
> The other one I've heard and liked was "Tor-enabled service", but I think
> the jury is still out on whether that's a good one or too confusing like
> "Tor service".
>> However, I'm not going to start using a term unless the consensus is
>> that that "onion service" or "tor service" is an acceptable synonym.
> Thanks for checking first. There sure is a lot going on these days,
> and I can see how some things might not seem to be land mines but
> then turn out to be.
> I'd say pick your favorite and start using it and see if it catches on?
> I'm pretty sure by now if you say "onion service" people will know what
> you mean, so that might be another vote in its favor.
> --Roger
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