[tor-talk] Why does requesting for bridges by email require a Yahoo or Gmail address?

ideas buenas ideasbuenas at gmail.com
Sat Jul 26 21:55:24 UTC 2014

I don't trust Google neither Yahoo nor Bing. If they have captchas and your
phone then they're done and you're screwed. Don't be afraid of using Riseup
a lot. They are in the market. But I think, Roger can do something with
this (sorry, I talk to the boos, not to the hand). Perhaps he don't because
there are more people talking of Tor than using it. Cheers.

On Sat, Jul 26, 2014 at 7:47 AM, Matthew Finkel <matthew.finkel at gmail.com>

> On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 03:44:21PM +0000, obx wrote:
> > > Because we need an adequately popular provider that makes it hard to
> > > generate lots of addresses. Otherwise an attacker could make millions
> > > of addresses and "be" millions of different people asking for bridges.
> >
> > I know this is the reason, but there are still captchas, right?
> >
> Yes, they do rely on captchas and phone numbers. But luckily, in the
> case for gmail, the capture-difficulty is variable. This in no way
> solves the problem, but it's certainly better than most alternatives.
> > Also, I think this list needs to be expanded.
> >
> > > (Also, it recently became clear that it would be useful for people to
> > > access this provider via https, rather than http, so a network
> adversary
> > > can't just sniff the bridge addresses off the Internet when the user
> > > reads her mail.
> >
> > I'm not sure if gmail is safe against this recent adversary, regardless
> > of the protocol.
> >
> Excluding the NSA/US Gov, I think gmail is the best
> corporate-controlled service available, right now. This
> opinion may change if contradictory information is released, but at
> this time, for our purposes, I am happy requiring gmail.
> Services like riseup are excellent, but we are abusing their systems
> (a little), as well as potentially putting more work/stress/pressure on
> the staff. I wish there was a way to necessitate the requirements and
> rigor of riseup with the scalability of gmail. Alas, this isn't
> available, as far as I know. Riseup is also special due to existing
> person relationships, it's possible we can expand the whitelist to other
> provides such as autistici, but it will be a more involved process.
> Suggestions and help always appreciated
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