[tor-talk] Questions about NSA monitoring of Tor users.

Patrick Schleizer adrelanos at riseup.net
Thu Jul 24 17:58:45 UTC 2014

Patrick Schleizer:
> Артур Истомин:
>> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 12:17:14PM +0000, Patrick Schleizer wrote:
>>> Nice graphic. Looks similar for any country! Exponential growth of
>>> debts. But not because mainly more and more money is wasted, it is the
>>> money system itself that is broken. One of the biggest frauds ever. Who
>>> has the right to create fiat money out of nothing? How exactly does
>>> money creation work? Why is it that almost all countries are indebted?
>>> And those not indebted, have minor funds in comparison to others debt,
>>> don't hold the balance that others owe to them. If you take a balance of
>>> all governments worldwide, debts are exponentially growing. To whom do
>>> they owe the money?
>>> In the fiat money system, amount of money in circulation equals debts.
>>> Yes, even if you personally don't have any debts, all paper and book
>>> money is only in circulation, because someone else made a debt. Pay back
>>> a loan, and money gets literally destroy. If everyone could pay back
>>> their loan, there would be no more money in circulation. One problem
>>> with this system is, someone earns interest for the money in circulation.
>>> So I can only encourage you to learn about the money system. Get
>>> information from official sources. Read different opinions on how to
>>> interpret it. Then try to conclude if it is a fair system or a fraud
>>> system where few get richer at expense of everyone else.
>> Interesting think. What do you advise to read?
> If no one else has suggestions, it requires some effort from your side,
> research. I don't know who best advocates this topic in English language.
> Maybe,
> - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_as_Debt - haven't seen yet, but
> sounds interesting
> - https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=money+as+debt
> - search terms: "fiat money",
> - "debt money",
> - and "money creation" are good starting points

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqvKjsIxT_8 is a good introduction.

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