[tor-talk] Questions about NSA monitoring of Tor users.

[Mark McCarron]

With the US military it is a case of take your pick, from hypersonic delivery systems and satellite laser shields, to brain scanning and strong AIs, I suppose any one or all of them could qualify.

Take a look at the US federal debt, even though the wars have been winding down, borrowing has increased exponentially: 

http://www.truthfulpolitics.com/images/us-federal-debt-by-president-political-party.jpg

Trillions are going somewhere, so whatever it is, it is big and they are willing to undermine the financial health of the nation to deliver it.

Regards,

Mark McCarron

> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2014 20:45:10 -0300
> From: apx.808 at gmail.com
> To: tor-talk at lists.torproject.org
> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Questions about NSA monitoring of Tor users.
> 
> >Mark McCarron said:
> >Did no one notice trillions are being drained from the US economy into
> some unidentified military project for the last decade or more???
> >It would seem to indicate that there is a Manhatten-style project underway.
> 
> Do you have more details/links about that?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Cheerz
> http://apx808.blogspot.com
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Mark McCarron <mark.mccarron at live.co.uk>
> wrote:
> 
> > I can answer this:
> >
> > 1.  The IP addresses can be connected to an ISP and physical address
> > should the need arise.  It allows the NSA to "rewind the tape" so to speak.
> >  That is why there has been a push for data retention at ISPs.  Given that
> > in the EU governments are seeking 2 years, it would indicate that the
> > platform can rewind internet activity for at least that long.
> >
> > 2.  Tor is a communications platform, the NSA's job is to monitor
> > communications and intercept military planning that effects either itself
> > or its partners.  Secure global communications and computing is now a
> > commodity, whereas it was mainly a state-only capability.  Thus, the
> > average user is now coming up against intelligence agencies, rather than
> > state actors alone.  Leaving blind spots would be dangerous to national
> > security as it provides opportunities for planning and coordination.  So,
> > there is a legitimate case here and no one denies it.  The real problem is
> > that in the absence of a genuine international threat and by that I mean
> > someone on the scale of Russia/China, these systems are being directed
> > against groups with limited capabilities.  Those groups are now being
> > defined as national security threats to justify budgets and to filter money
> > into particular black projects.  Revelations by Snowden and other releases
> > are merely a distraction to where the money is really going.
> >    Did no one notice trillions are being drained from the US economy into
> > some unidentified military project for the last decade or more???
> >
> > It would seem to indicate that there is a Manhatten-style project underway.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Mark McCarron
> >
> > > Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 23:14:30 +0000
> > > From: simonsnake at openmailbox.org
> > > To: tor-talk at lists.torproject.org
> > > Subject: [tor-talk] Questions about NSA monitoring of Tor users.
> > >
> > > I have two questions about the recent revelations that the NSA has been
> > > collecting data about Tor users.
> > >
> > > I would like to hear from those with personal knowledge and experience
> > > such as Jacob, Roger, Mike, etc.
> > >
> > > AIUI, from the stories in the German media
> > > (http://daserste.ndr.de/panorama/aktuell/nsa230_page-1.html) and Wired
> > > (http://www.wired.com/2014/07/nsa-targets-users-of-privacy-services/),
> > > the NSA has logged the IP of everyone who ever accessed:
> > > a) a directory server.
> > > b) an entry node.
> > > c) bridges.torproject.org
> > > d) requested an email of bridges.
> > > e) the tor website itself (except from five eyes countries).
> > >
> > > This is viable as the NSA runs the Quantum network which allows it to
> > > intercept traffic to whichever sites it desires before that traffic
> > > arrives at its destination.
> > >
> > > Two questions:
> > >
> > > 1.    What would be the purpose of collecting a vast trove of IP
> > addresses?
> > > In my case, my IP could be tied to my real name since I send emails via
> > > SMTP which will contain my IP, email address, real name, etc. That said,
> > > IP addresses are dynamic. I don't know how easy it would be to identify
> > > most people via an IP. Of course, one way would be to ask the ISP
> > > directly. But, whether tied to a real identity or not, what's the point?
> > >   What does it achieve? They also gather the IP address for those who
> > > access any number of proxy services such as MegaProxy and
> > > FreeProxies.org. Would they not just end up with a massive database of
> > > (mostly dynamic) IPs?
> > >
> > > 2.    What is the attitude that encourages the gathering of this
> > > information? Is it: because they can? Or do they truly believe that
> > > anyone who uses Tor is dangerous? Bear in mind that Tor was developed
> > > and is still funded by the US government. No-one can deny that
> > > dissidents in unfree countries use it. So, even if you assume that a
> > > high percentage of users are bad people, what about the dissidents in
> > > the Middle East or wherever? What is the psychology here? I'm sure
> > > people like Roger are in regular contact with some government types.
> > > Perhaps he can shed some light on the motivation?
> > >
> > >
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