[tor-talk] Off topic- Android is suspect spyware?
andre76 at fastmail.fm
andre76 at fastmail.fm
Thu Dec 11 13:15:04 UTC 2014
As I said in a previous email, essentially, I've stopped using Android.
I had purchased a cheap tablet but now the wifi is phyically torn out
and I use it for a simple calculator.
I don't own a cell phone and have no need for one.
Paranoia over digital/online privacy as it's now called is what we
oldsters used to call normal life when the state/corporations/jerks
couldn't spy on us. The object is to return to that.
This topic has ended as far as I'm concerned. Thanks, all, for the help
On Thu, Dec 11, 2014, at 07:54 AM, Jon Tullett wrote:
> On 10 December 2014 at 01:22, <andre76 at fastmail.fm> wrote:
> > Anything that google touches or promotes is very suspicious.
> Anything that any corporation touches is suspicious by the same
> measures, if you want to be sufficiently paranoid about it. You think
> there's no Chinese spyware in Huawei phones, or that Apple is on your
> > Is there a way to eliminate all of the google bloatware and programs
> > from an Android tablet and have a simple tablet that runs android
> > without having to deal with google?
> Yes. Get a forked device, like an Amazon Kindle Fire - such vendors
> replace much of the Google software, often including the default app
> store, with their own. But if you trust the third party more than
> Google, your paranoia is broken.
> > That google playstore monopoly
> > drives me nuts!
> This I don't understand at all. Of all the mobile ecosystems,
> Android's has the least of an appstore monopoly. If you don't want to
> use the Google Play Store, use another - there are numerous
> third-party app stores. Or download apks directly and sideload them
> (careful...this is where the malware lurks). All these are options
> which don't exist in Apple or Microsoft devices. That's not a
> criticism or endorsement, just a fact.
> BlackBerry, curiously, is even more open - there's the default
> BlackBerry World appstore, and BB10 ships with access to the Amazon
> store for Android apps, and it supports easy sideloading AND provides
> extra layers of app scanning beyond what Google does. But if you don't
> trust Google, you shouldn't trust BlackBerry, for the same reasons.
> > Rooting seems a partial answer to begin the process of modifying stuff
> > on a device.
> Only if that is the limit of your paranoia. You can root an Android
> phone and rip out a bunch of stuff (the "Samsung decrapifier" is a
> pretty good example of a bloatware removal tool), but there's still a
> bunch of stuff that's off-limits, notably the code in, eg, the
> baseband processor on the phone. Even if you could completely wipe a
> phone, you couldn't be certain it was incapable of tracking or
> eavesdropping. So the question is, how paranoid do you personally need
> to be?
> > What do you think?
> I think you need to do some homework.
> You should probably start with a personal risk assessment, then
> research whatever measures are required to mitigate that risk. If you
> are in a position where you need to be extremely paranoid about this
> stuff, don't use a smartphone at all. Get a featurephone with no GPS
> and a removable battery, and use it as a modem if you need to get
> online, and take the battery out when you're in a sensitive situation.
> If you just want to be tracked a bit less, root your Android
> smartphone and use Orweb and orWall and suchlike. Avoid apps which are
> ad-supported. Learn which services are what, and disable as many as
> you comfortably can.
> Or any of a number of options in between. It all comes down to what
> level of risk you personally need to address.
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