[tor-talk] Tor Weekly News — October 9th, 2013

[Joe Btfsplk]

On 10/9/2013 2:35 PM, mick wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Oct 2013 18:51:50 -0000
> harmony01 at riseup.net allegedly wrote:
>>
>> So to be clear, your position is that Edward Snowden is still loyal to
>> NSA, and is releasing misinformation according to a plan of their own
>> design?
I didn't mention ES.  I'm speaking in general terms.  HISTORICALLY, what 
I said in *general* has proven to be true, time & again. If others think 
for some reason, it's now going to be different, they're entitled.
I'm speaking of various agencies making statements of how "difficult it 
is for them" to track / crack / infiltrate the Tor network & other 
similar topics or propaganda.
> Once you start to believe in conspiracy theories you inevitably end up
> questioning any version of reality.
>
Theories?  Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.   There's no theory 
involved in my statement.  It's simply based on historical facts. It's 
based on hundreds, if not thousands of years of gov'ts' behaviors,  the 
world over.  If you want to take the last 75 yrs, there's still more 
than enough historical documentation that advanced gov'ts always know 
more & can do more than they let on.  In fact, they'd be insane NOT to 
do it this way.

All Gov'ts' would be derelict in their duties if in general, they let 
the public & other states know all their technology & intelligence 
capabilities.  That is the ONLY point I was making.
Historically (not theoretically), what the public knows at the  time is 
often the tip of the ice berg.  In reverse, many believe the Holocaust & 
moon landing were some gov't's scams.

Is it a "conspiracy theory" that many (an undetermined %) of email, 
internet activity, phone calls, skype, VOIP communications, etc., of 
persons that aren't suspected of any criminal activity, are being 
monitored?  In spite of congressional hearings & national coverage, most 
people forgot about it after a couple days or just refuse to believe 
it.   Polls show many still think there WERE WMDs in Iraq & that Saddam 
Hussein was responsible for 9-11.

For all of recorded history, average citizens have never been too 
interested in, or taken the time to find out as much as they could about 
what their gov't was up to.