[tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

mirimir mirimir at riseup.net
Tue Oct 8 01:20:36 UTC 2013

On 10/06/2013 10:32 AM, mick wrote:

> On Sun, 06 Oct 2013 02:36:20 +0000
> mirimir <mirimir at riseup.net> allegedly wrote:
>> Still, if one uses nested VPN tunnels from multiple providers in
>> suitably chosen spheres of influence, it will be nontrivial for
>> adversaries to install enough taps. Going through China, for example,
>> would be a serious roadblock for US-aligned TLAs. Even with four
>> nested VPN tunnels, latency and bandwidth are far better than using
>> Tor.
>> Finally, it's not either/or. It's easy to include Tor in nested VPN
>> configurations. Latency is typically over two seconds, but bandwidth
>> is adequate, especially for UDP traffic.
> Forgive me, I'm not sure I understand this. Could you elaborate please
> on the nesting of the VPN tunnels with Tor? Since Tor does not
> (currently) support UDP, what architectural model do you have in mind?
> (e.g. openVPN tunnelled through openVPN to a Tor guard entry?)

Yes, Tor supports only TCP. But OpenVPN can optionally use TCP, and once
the VPN tunnel is established, it supports both TCP and UDP traffic.
It's easy to tunnel a VPN through Tor using Whonix in VirtualBox. First
get a free SecurityKISS account. Then install network-manager-openvpn on
the Whonix workstation, and configure Network Manager for SecurityKISS
in TCP mode. By default, Whonix will use the transproxy port for
OpenVPN. Once the VPN tunnel is up, you can use both TCP and UDP with
remote sites. However, you can't access hidden services, for obvious

You can also run an OpenVPN server in TCP mode as a Tor hidden service.
You install the server on the Whonix workstation, and configure torrc on
the Whonix gateway. Alternatively, you can use ra's Tor gateway, which
is an OpenWRT VM with a Tor client and DHCP server, plus a Debian VM for
the OpenVPN server.

More generally, you can use multiple pfSense router/firewall VMs as
clients for various VPN providers, and OpenWRT Tor gateway VMs. Internet
traffic routing reflects the local routing of gateway VMs.

> Mick
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