[tor-talk] [tor-relays] NSA v TOR Guardian article

krishna e bera keb at cyblings.on.ca
Sat Oct 5 21:39:28 UTC 2013

Having "intelligence" or other government agencies run normal relays is
great, especially exits.  After all, some (all?) government funding for
Tor is based on the theory that dissidents (and agents) in rival
countries communicate securely and anonymously over the network.
Nothing to be ashamed of.  Other governments can join in the fun too!

The more worrying aspect is the SSL MITM sites the slides said they are
running.  I wasnt able to tell if they are able to spoof existing
relays/guards based on race conditions, or did that only apply to user

On 13-10-05 06:32 AM, tor at t-3.net wrote:
> The tech articles had fascinating info which I know the Tor devs will be
> eating right up like a cupcake :)
> Does anyone have any insights into the articles which would be specific
> to tor relay operators, and would allow us to be better node hosts?
> Didn't like that the NSA has in essence verified that they run some
> nodes. Could have guessed it was the case, but still. Would love to know
> which nodes belong to them. They would have a big budget for donated
> bandwidth if they so chose, since they get to dip the soup ladle deep
> into the US/UK taxpayer cauldron.
> On Saturday 05/10/2013 at 1:26 am, Roger Dingledine wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 09:12:07PM -0800, I wrote:
>>> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/04/nsa-gchq-attack-tor-network-encryption
>> Hi!
>> This is best discussed on the big thread on tor-talk.
>> But see also
>> https://blog.torproject.org/blog/yes-we-know-about-guardian-article
>> Thanks,
>> --Roger

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