[tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

Juan Garofalo juan.g71 at gmail.com
Fri Oct 4 04:37:31 UTC 2013

--On Friday, October 04, 2013 3:22 AM +0000 mirimir <mirimir at riseup.net> 

> On 10/04/2013 02:21 AM, Roger Dingledine wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 04, 2013 at 02:11:26AM +0000, mirimir wrote:
>>> On 10/04/2013 01:54 AM, Juan Garofalo wrote:
>>>>     I'm wondering if I got this right:
>>>>     The NSA is supposed to be concerned only with 'national security'
>>>> issues and can't spy on 'ordinary Americans'. In practice the NSA spies
>>>> on everyone paying no attention to 'legal' restraints.
>>>>     If the NSA happens to find the location of, say, a 'criminal' tor
>>>> hidden service, the NSA will forward the information to the pertinent
>>>> 'agency', say, the DEA, and the DEA  will lie about how they got the
>>>> information, presenting a 'plausible' alternate explanation. Is that
>>>> how they basically operate?
>> [snip]
>>> Of course, the FBI could be totally lying in the complaint.
>> Can you point to a specific statement in the affidavit that would be a
>> lie if the "NSA conspires to tip off FBI" theory were true?
> OK, I just read the Maryland complaint. It's obvious what happened.
> An FBI undercover agent contacted him, wanting to sell large quantities
> of cocaine. He found a buyer, and delegated the details to his employee.
> Said employee had full admin access to his servers.
> His employee then provided his ACTUAL PHYSICAL ADDRESS to the undercover
> FBI agent. The FBI mailed 1 Kg (very highly cut) cocaine to said
> employee, and arrested him on receipt. Said employee soon told the FBI
> all that he knew.
> So now the FBI had access to the servers. There's no reason to suspect
> that they needed to compromise Tor to gain access, or for anything else.

	Of course, that makes sense - if you believe them.

	Well, I can prove that pigs fly. I start with the premise that pigs fly 
and then...

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