[tor-talk] Silk Road taken down by FBI

Juan Garofalo juan.g71 at gmail.com
Fri Oct 4 03:50:45 UTC 2013

--On Friday, October 04, 2013 2:11 AM +0000 mirimir <mirimir at riseup.net> 

> On 10/04/2013 01:54 AM, Juan Garofalo wrote:
>>     I'm wondering if I got this right:
>>     The NSA is supposed to be concerned only with 'national security'
>> issues and can't spy on 'ordinary Americans'. In practice the NSA spies
>> on everyone paying no attention to 'legal' restraints.
>>     If the NSA happens to find the location of, say, a 'criminal' tor
>> hidden service, the NSA will forward the information to the pertinent
>> 'agency', say, the DEA, and the DEA  will lie about how they got the
>> information, presenting a 'plausible' alternate explanation. Is that how
>> they basically operate?
> Yes, that sounds about right.
> But, how would we know that?

	It's 'public knowledge'?


> Here, it's more plausible that the found his hosting provider through
> his bank or credit card account, or through his gmail address. No?

	That's another possibility. More plausible? Perhaps, but who knows.

	However, I wasn't specifically commenting on the silk road case. 
Apologies, the subject says "silk road", but my message was worded in 
general terms.

> Why assume conspiracy, when there's so much obvious stupidity?
> Of course, the FBI could be totally lying in the complaint.

	My point exactly. Although we  can't know if that's the case, the 
possibility that they are at least partially lying is very real.

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