[tor-talk] Until there's a REAL effing way to communicate, that evey1 can use, I'm DONE

[Anthony Papillion]

Please forgive my top posting. Posting from a mobile device.

You seem to have been pretty active in the Tor community over the last  
decade. If the communications format is so horrible to you, why not do  
something about it?  Instead of going on a mailing list, using  
offensive language, and saying "why won't someone fix this", why don't  
*you* fix it?

Take a little time and learn how to properly and securely set up the  
software you think is needed and offer the project your services to  
host and run it.  That way, you'd have a solution to the problem and  
be officially backed by Tor.

Also, I'm surprised by your "Im done!" statement. Isn't your privacy  
worth a little more than convenient group communication. People don't  
stick with Tor because it's easy or has a great mailing list. The  
stick with it because they feel their privacy is more important than  
those things.

Just to reiterate: fix what you think is broken. Heck I'd even  
volunteer time to help you out if you needed it. Leaving isn't the  
answer: work is.

Anthony

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Sent from my mobile device

On Jun 17, 2013, at 7:26 PM, "Cat S" <catslovetor at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> This mailing-list is a stupid fucking joke, well, at least for those  
> of us who aren't techies. Really, this is stupid, you're not  
> allowing a lot of people to community by using this Ivory tower  
> mailing-list crap.
>
> I've been using Tor near 10 years now, and this has GOT to change.  
> It's like Tor Project is stuck in the 20th Century! I know all the  
> arguments about why Tor Project hasn't (and seemingly won't) offer a  
> way for everyone to communicate, and they're valid but they're also  
> bullshit. They're bullshit because you're all (or, at least most of  
> you are) using them as an excuse to throw up your hands and start a  
> stupid fucking stack exchange page . . . with all it's Fackbook  
> integration and other crap users have to wade through :(
>
> I will never donate another penny to Tor, and I've given quite a lot  
> (anonymously) over the years, until a real solution is found. What  
> the hell happened to the money that was supposedly ear-marked to  
> write (or hack) a forum software?
>
> "real solution" = discussion forum
>
> I'm going to start an account at stack exchange and try my damndest  
> to make my question in the top:
> "Why won't the Tor Project support user-friendly form of anonymous  
> communication - i.e., a discussion forum?"
>
> Stop with the fucking madness! Just make a real solution and be done  
> with it! Otherwise, decrease the lag time between when a message is  
> posted on the mailing-list and when it reaches my inbox. I mean,  
> what the hell?! Why does it take so effing long for an e-mail to  
> reach my inbox when it's been up on the mailing-list for quite a  
> while?! That's why it's so hard to use mailing-lists, there not  
> instantaneous, so it's very hard to have a on-going conversion.
>
> Mailing-lists suck Cartman's balls.
>
> The Tor Project needs someone who ONLY cares about Tor's users, not  
> about the code per se. Having the greatest Tor in the world is a  
> great goal, but if you don't allow non-tech users a way to  
> communicate your work's not worth a damn (as techies already now how  
> to use these programs, the prole you're trying to help generally DO  
> NOT - I know this because I teach many people how to use TBB).
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