[tor-talk] Inquiry about Vidalia/Tor bundle

[Nathan Suchy]

Not a joke. I thought we were talking about TBB. Tor secures all traffic
you send through it. In reality though wouldn't a secure VPN with no logs
be just as safe?
On Aug 27, 2013 8:19 AM, "mirimir" <mirimir at riseup.net> wrote:

> On 08/27/2013 11:43 AM, Nathan Suchy wrote:
>
> > It goes through a guard, middle, and exit node which does not anything
> > about each other than the next and last hop. It is by far more secure.
> Its
> > probably secure enough for anything. Even illegal speech. It should keep
> > you safe.
>
> Is that a joke?
>
> Did you notice Roger Dingledine's comment: "From what I heard (it's
> Windows-only so I haven't tried running it or decompiling it to find
> out what it is really), it includes Foxyproxy, configured to only go
> through Tor for a select set of sites that are commonly censored.
> The rest of the sites bypass Tor."
>
> Are you claiming that PirateBrowser in fact uses Tor for everything?
>
> > On Aug 27, 2013 2:46 AM, "mirimir" <mirimir at riseup.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On 08/26/2013 11:08 PM, Roger Dingledine wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 05:58:22PM -0500, Missouri Anglers wrote:
> >>>> I downloaded and installed "PirateBrowser" which is a Firefox
> >>>> browser configured to use vidalia/tor.
> >>>
> >>> Not quite -- it is a bundle that includes a variety of software
> >>> including Firefox, Vidalia, and Tor, configured in the way they
> >>> wanted to configure it.
> >>>
> >>> Specifically, don't be confused into thinking this is a Tor product,
> >>> or that it will keep you safe in some particular way.
> >>>
> >>> In fact, they even have a disclaimer saying that it's not an
> >>> anonymity tool. And in this case that's not just a disclaimer, it's
> >>> an accurate statement.
> >>
> >> That's true, but their disclaimer
> >> <http://piratebrowser.ca/faq_piratebrowser.html> is still extremely
> >> misleading:
> >>
> >>> Does it make me surf the net anonymously?
> >>>
> >>> No, Pirate Browser is not intended to be a TOR Browser, while it uses
> >>> the Tor network, which is designed for anonymous surfing, this
> >>> browser is ONLY intended to circumvent censorship. The Tor network is
> >>> used to help route around the censoring / blocking of websites your
> >>> government doesn't want you to know about.
> >>>
> >>> If you are looking for something more secure you may want to try a
> >>> VPN like PrivacyIO.
> >>
> >> They could have at least pointed people at TBB!
> >>
> >>>> I assume this is simply just a browser set up to use an anonymous
> >>>> proxy?
> >>>
> >>> From what I heard (it's Windows-only so I haven't tried running it
> >>> or decompiling it to find out what it is really), it includes
> >>> Foxyproxy, configured to only go through Tor for a select set of
> >>> sites that are commonly censored. The rest of the sites bypass Tor.
> >>
> >> That should be clearly stated in the summary under "Search" at the top
> >> of <http://piratebrowser.ca/>. What they're doing is totally reckless.
> >>
> >>>> I am not exactly a beginner when it comes to using anonymous
> >>>> proxies. I have been gathering proxy lists, scanning them with
> >>>> software to see if they are valid/anonymous and configuring my
> >>>> browser to use them for years. However I am no expert.
> >>>>
> >>>> This Vidalia/Tor has me confused.
> >>>
> >>> Again, please remember this is somebody else's program, called
> >>> Pirate Browser, and not anything made by Tor. Though it does include
> >>> tools written by Tor, but tools-written-by-Tor only perform the way
> >>> Tor had in mind if you configure them that way.
> >>>
> >>>> The program loads, connects to the Tor network and everything looks
> >>>> and acts well. However when I check my stats at various websites
> >>>> that I use such as (http://www.lagado.com/proxy-test) my IP address
> >>>> is revealed along with my ISP amd other accurate information.
> >>>>
> >>>> I also checked https://check.torproject.org/ and it says that it is
> >>>> not working.
> >>>
> >>> That sounds compatible with my Foxyproxy theory above.
> >>>
> >>> Hope that helps, --Roger
> >>>
> >>
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