mikeperry at torproject.org
Sun May 13 21:26:59 UTC 2012
Thus spake proper at secure-mail.biz (proper at secure-mail.biz):
> then allowing a few websites to run scripts, is especially bad for
> your anonymity: the set of websites which you allow to run scripts is
> very likely to uniquely identify your browser."
> anonymity set reduction, because probable most TBB users don't leave
> it enabled.
> anonymisation in Torbutton is next to perfect. It's far from perfect.
> There are severe bugs open. If you go on ip-check.info you'll see,
> which fonts you have installed.
Actually, the FAQ makes two assumptions:
available to CSS and HTTP even when JS is disabled. This includes fonts,
desktop resolution, browser widget resolution, caching-based
identifiers, and probably a few more things, too.
2. The additional amount of information JS provides beyond these things
is not substantial, if properly mitigated.
That said, disabling JS all-or-nothing is probably not a very big hit
right now with our current userbase. Enough people probably do it that
you still have an anonymity set. But, as the demographics of our
userbase change as it (hopefully) becomes easier to use Tor, this will
be less and less true.
However, disabling a whole random collection of random junk specific to
you is a *huge* hit, if anyone bothers to look. You cannot expect to be
able to use the same web service under two different accounts if you use
3rd party domain JS filtering features of NoScript, for example. They
will have a wealth of fingerprinting information based simply on the
scripts you choose to download and run, if they care to look.
> That's one bug I understand. I don't know if there are any other bugs
> open with such severe implications for browser fingerprinting.
You want likely want this query instead:
> Torproject probable also doesn't know, how many people turn off
> mainline Firefox and torify like it was proclaimed years ago? Also if
> you look through some public forums, which discuss Tor, they also
1. Fingerprinting concerns.
2. Zero-day exploits against Firefox.
1. We want enough people to actually use Tor Browser such that it
becomes less interesting that you're a Tor user. We have plenty of
academic research and mathematical proofs that tell us quite clearly
that the more people use Tor, the better the privacy, anonymity, and
traffic analysis resistance properties will become.
In fact, my personal goal is to grab the entire "Do Not Track" userbase
from Mozilla. That userbase is probably well in excess of 12.5 million
I do *not* believe we can capture that userbase if we ship a
2. Exploitable vulnerabilities can be anywhere in the browser, not just
in the JS interpreter. We disable and/or click-to-play the known major
vectors, but the best solutions here are providing bug bounties (Mozilla
does this; we should too, if we had any money) and sandboxing systems
(Seatbelt, AppArmor, SELinux).
Hope this clarifies some things for you.
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