[tor-talk] New Tool Keeps Censors in the Dark - mentions Tor.

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----- Original Message -----
From: Zaher F.
Sent: 08/09/11 03:18 PM
To: tor-talk at lists.torproject.org
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] New Tool Keeps Censors in the Dark - mentions Tor.

 after reading all ur conversation...


 for me i didnt understand a very important thing :
 how come a software or tools as Telex and is not anonymity??????
 because the most of blocked sites by the governments are restricted also and censored...


 so i dont think a software like Telex can work against these governments cause no body is ready to loose his freedom....

 couldn't resist - sorry
 "cause no body is ready to loose his freedom..."
 we're already losing our freedoms
 tor is about running and hiding

 thx

 > Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 10:34:34 +0800
 > From:  jmmrchrdsn at gmail.com 
 > To:  tor-talk at lists.torproject.org 
 > Subject: Re: [tor-talk] New Tool Keeps Censors in the Dark - mentions Tor.
 >
 >
 >
 > On 8/9/2011 5:44 AM, Joe Btfsplk wrote:
 > > On 8/8/2011 8:16 AM, Jimmy Richardson wrote:
 > >>
 > >>
 > >> On 8/8/2011 5:03 PM, Eugen Leitl wrote:
 > >>> On Mon, Aug 08, 2011 at 10:41:50AM +0800, Jimmy Richardson wrote:
 > >>>
 > >>>> Google AppEngine provides a platform which can be used to run your own
 > >>>> proxy servers for free, Gtalk supports XMPP which can also be used to
 > >>>> circumvent censorship.
 > >>> Google actively cooperates with US authorities regardless of user's
 > >>> geography, so using Google's infrastructure for anonymity is an
 > >>> oxymoron.
 > >>
 > >> I agree, but again, we were talking about anti-censorship, not
 > >> anonymity. Frankly people in China or Iran has much more to fear from
 > >> their own government than from US authorities.
 > >> _______________________________________________
 > >>
 > > Jimmy, though you have some valid points, I think you missed my point
 > > entirely (possibly some other posters').
 > >
 >
 > Actually I do see your point, as I have said, we have different
 > assumptions regarding how censor would react to anti-censorship
 > activities, let's just agree to disagree here. But even under your
 > assumption, I don't see the reason to bash Google here. True, Google
 > could sell you out to governments, but so could any company (for example
 > your ISP). The difference between Google and your average company is: a.
 > Google actually made a stand against censorship, and suffered the
 > retaliation; b. Google is providing computation resources for free. If
 > you want privacy/anonymity, you just need to code encryption routines
 > for the proxy you run on Google's AppEngine, it's no different from the
 > suggestion to run Tor over Telex. And for the free service they provided
 > against censorship, we should be thanking Google (and Telex if it gets
 > built). As far as I can see, Tor is already losing against the censors,
 > I think Tor should welcome some help in fighting against them.
 >
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