timo.schoeler at riscworks.net
Thu Jun 25 08:50:08 UTC 2009
thus Eugen Leitl spake:
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:28:23AM +0200, Timo Schoeler wrote:
>>> Hidden services will run very fine with only middleman and bridge nodes.
>> that's true, for sure. However, we create a parallel world doing this.
> That's not a bug, it's a feature.
I never said that it's a bug. I just said that if we drop the connection
to the 'normal' internet we lost the fight. Things like the french
revolution were without avail.
>> From a metaphysical POV (IMHO), TOR is (partly) existing to defend
>> civil rights. But to be able to do this, it must exist not only in a
> The free, uncesored Intenet is dead.
So, we already lost it.
> The sooner we acknowledge this,
> and realize that we need an anonymizing publishing layer on top of
> that the better.
The problem is that TOR (and any other system accomplishing this target)
excludes the 'masses', if one may say so.
> I keep harping about that since early 1990s. Surisingly
> little has happened since.
>> 'parallel world'. Losing connection to 'this world' (today's internet)
>> would mean to lose the 'war'.
> Things are never quite black and white.
A few things are, some are not. Have you ever seen a girl being 'a
little big pregnant'? ;)
> There is a network that is
> censored and sniffed but also accountable, and hence less prone to abuse.
> On top of that you can have a network that anonymous/pseudonymous,
> unaccountable, and slightly abusive.
> There's a place for both of them to exist.
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