Timo Schoeler timo.schoeler at riscworks.net
Thu Jun 18 07:26:20 UTC 2009

thus Eugen Leitl spake:
> On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 05:52:08AM +0200, Timo Schoeler wrote:
>> So am I, running a middle node. However, for months now I'm thinking of
>> reverting it to an exit node as the situation that everyone runs a
>> middle node, but no one dares to run an exit node just lets TOR die.
> This is great, but please be careful. Depending on the Bundesland
> customs vary, and it's pretty clear that online anonymity in Germany
> is firmly in the crosshairs.

Hence the discussion, I guess... ;)

>> Eugen's mail:
>> | I've used to run a Tor exit with Hetzner a couple years ago, which
>> | resulted in several tet-a-tetes with the local (Bavaria) police.
>> sounded very interesting. What was the reason for their visits?
> Two cases of complaints (petty online fraud), with the local cop acting as a proxy
> for the public persecutor, taking up the protocol. I denied the charges of
> course, and explained how Tor works, brought printouts, including a list of
> nodes and my node being listed.
> One case was a fax from BKA accusing me in trafficking
> in pedophilia. I decided that I don't really want to have my family 
> deal with a search warrant in the wee hours, and switched to middleman.
> No complaints so far.

Hard stuff. But since 'they' have those 'weapons' against running an 
exit node, what can we do (technologically, politically, ...) against 
it, to provide free speech in future?

>> The problem remains: No exit nodes, no reliable/fast/stable/anonymous
>> TOR. This has to be fixed, and the urgency to fix this gets stronger
>> every day (see geopolitical stuff, yallayalla).

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