Tor operator raided in Finland

Florian Reitmeir florian at
Sun Jan 27 13:24:07 UTC 2008

On Sun, 27 Jan 2008, dr._no at wrote:

> > > if you use a transparent proxy plus a provider proxy as parent proxy for
> > > your TOR server, you can simply avoid that ;-) To be absolutely sure, you
> > > can restrict the TOR output to port 80 and and use transparent http
> > > proxying to port 80, plus a provider proxy as parent proxy.
> > I disagree here. Provider proxies usually keep their request logs and they are 
> > fully able to find out from which customer IP the request originated. So, 
> > sure, the police asks the provider for the customer of their proxy IP. The 
> > provider will not be dumb and notice, that is one of his own IPs and will 
> > quite probably tell the police about the proxy and that they can find out the 
> > customer (and eventually do so).
> > You add a layer of obscurity, but you are not absolutely sure.
> yes, not absolutely sure, but up to now only the TCP/IP IP number has been used
> against TOR server operators in germany, and as far as i know also in other countries.
> And i'm using two dozens of IP numbers in the headers of my transparent proxy, so
> it's neither easy nor sure to find the IP number of my internet connection.
> Another point is that logging has several flaws: The provider proxies do have 
> thousands of connections per second, but the clocks of the computers have an
> accuracy of about one minute. So without connection tracking, e. g. with cookies,
> digging in the log data yields unsure results, especially with dynamic IPs.

i'm really not sure what kind of gras you are smoking, but nearly all mails
you send just do not contain the truth.

people alread told you, that _all_ your
- many ip addresses
- ip address changes
- proxies ..

are _useless_, and will not hide your account from your provider or the

Florian Reitmeir

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