Tor operator raided in Finland

孙超 g06b08120301 at
Sun Jan 27 02:41:13 UTC 2008

Why tor is banned in Finland?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <dr._no at>
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Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2008 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: Tor operator raided in Finland

>> maillist wrote:
>> (snip)
>> > They took all my computers and tried
>> > to take my UPS before I convinced them that it's not a computer.
>> No offense, but... LMAO! That's just sad; they can't tell a computer
>> from a UPS...
> Hi,
> i also thought about it and it's possible to e. g. to hide a WLAN or 
> powerline NAS in a wall,
> but that's expensive and i do prefer encryption - even for all of my 
> backups
> and my backup in the safe-deposit box.
> That does cost nothing (except some performance, some seconds for creation 
> an the password
> for mounting) and it's save.
> And i've read reportsthat the police sometimes also takes printers and 
> other PC stuff, so an
> UPS is not a good idea.
> Currently i'm putting my root file system on an USB key, following the 
> encrypted root filesystem
> howto, in a partition of type 0 (officially empty).
> And if you use a small USB key, e. g. an Sony Micro Vault Tiny, you can 
> hide it nearly everywhere,
> because it's so small:
> If you have small children, you first should make sure that it can not get 
> swallowed ;-)
> If someone, e. g. a judge or policeman, asks you for the password you can 
> simply forget it or say that due to
> the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, article 14, 
> paragraph 3,  chapter g, you
> can not be forced to tell someone else the password:
> So asking for a password is a suspect trick, because since the romans the 
> principle that you can't be
> compelled to testify against yourself or to confess, e. g. by telling 
> someone else a password, is standard
> and known as "nemo tenetur se ipsum accusare".
> So if someone forces you to give a password it is highly illegal a) du to 
> international law, b) against more
> than more than 2000 years of jurisdiction, c) against the freedom of 
> thought (a password which is created
> by your brain is only a thought) and several other constitutional 
> principles.
> In germany the "nemo tenetur se ipsum accusare" is specified as STPO 
> Paragraph 55.
> Another point is that a good password is hard to create; therefore you can 
> reclaim the international
> copyright for your good passwords.
> If someone would ask me for a password, i would spam, tell wrong 
> passwords, to waste his time, which could
> be used to ask others for passwords ;-)
> Greets

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