Some legal trouble with TOR in France +

Ringo Kamens 2600denver at
Tue May 16 03:06:07 UTC 2006

I agree with you that LE is wasting way to much money watching
viewers. It's like chasing down people who use illegal drugs when
there's a concaine farm right next to the police station. They're
merely using it as a fear tactic "nobody who is involved in pedophilia
is safe" but it's just a joke. (Similar to how RIAA is suing

On 5/15/06, Mike Perry <mikepery at> wrote:
> Thus spake Ringo Kamens (2600denver at
> > I want to add my two cents about child porn. Censorship is censorship, it
> > doesn't matter what you censor or by what logic you censor. Banning child
> > porn is censorship, copyright is censorship, and stopping people from
> > speaking who have opposing political views is censrorship. It seems to be
> a
> > well known fact that freenet is filled with pedophilia, yet freenet is
> just
> > fine and dandy. If pedophilia was a *real* threat to privacy services,
> then
> > proxies wouldn't exist.
> The other issue is why is law enforcement energy being wasted at
> targeting people who *look* at child porn instead of those who
> actually provide the porn - or worse, create the porn.
> While all three groups of people are unquestionably sick, two groups
> are actively engaging in the exploitation of children where the other
> is just watching it like a train wreck.
> Since law enforcement capacity is clearly finite, you would think even
> fanatical people should be able realize that if you really want to
> protect children, you go balls to the wall to find or at least shut
> down the PRODUCERS of the content, and stop wasting valuable resources
> going after small time consumers who for all we know may actually be
> less likely to harm real children if they are able to satisfy their
> sick fantasies via imagination and not reality. Hell, "consumers" can
> even be framed by crackers using their machines to download/store the
> stuff.
> Targeting consumers of child porn seems to be too convienient a way to
> ram all sorts of BS legislation through congress, wasting both tax and
> ISP $$ in the process, and doing way more harm to the rights of
> average people than to pedophiles.
> --
> Mike Perry
> Mad Computer Scientist
> evil labs

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