Some legal trouble with TOR in France +

Tony Tony at
Mon May 15 22:04:46 UTC 2006

I have to agree there. Any porn is just pictures. Why shouldn't you look
at pictures? Who says it not 'art'. When does art stop and porn begin?


In the UK what is considered 'porn' that you can only subscribe to on a
private satellite channel that only broadcasts after midnight is
ridiculously soft. They cant even show entry shots. Supposedly to
protect children from seeing it - when it would be legal if sold as a
sex education video!. If you start censoring things then its hard to
stop and you end up with ridiculous situations like this.


The problem with certain types of pictures is what is required to
produce them, rather than the pictures themselves...And even then it's a
point of view as to where the limits are.




From: owner-or-talk at [mailto:owner-or-talk at]
On Behalf Of Ringo Kamens
Sent: 15 May 2006 22:20
To: or-talk at
Subject: Re: Some legal trouble with TOR in France +


I want to add my two cents about child porn. Censorship is censorship,
it doesn't matter what you censor or by what logic you censor. Banning
child porn is censorship, copyright is censorship, and stopping people
from speaking who have opposing political views is censrorship. It seems
to be a well known fact that freenet is filled with pedophilia, yet
freenet is just fine and dandy. If pedophilia was a real threat to
privacy services, then proxies wouldn't exist.

On 5/15/06, Marko Sihvo <parazite at> wrote: 

crackedactor at wrote:
> Child porn is a different matter, it threatens the Tor network! 
> It is best handled easier by a url/site/ip block list on the EXIT
nodes. to protect itself Torland should put a site uo tp create this
block list and Tor EXIt servers use it if they wish.
> Eg <16+,<18+,<21+ lists, then EXIT servers put on the lists approprate
tio theuir region. 
> Also the client side of Tor could be have a user configuration to NOT
"obtain" pages/images/etc from URL/IP on these list according ot the
confugration they set. This protects them from that.
> Police could even add to this list and child protection/free speech
groups could double check to stop speech "censorship". 
Porn. Sex. Illegal porn. Blahblahblah. Total crap.

27x beheading&shooting format: wmv/real 5125028
505.wmv  -- iraqi police officers in iraq (shooting) 3294790
american2.wmv  -- jack hensley in iraq 1085798 amil.WMV  -- unknown in 
iraq 6545968 amraky.WMV  -- eugene armstrong in iraq 8231054
ciaamil.wmv  -- unknown in iraq 2200551 cj_9833.RAM  -- daniel pearl in
pakistan 369937 fas.wmv  -- russian in chechnya 4187566 Intikhabat.wmv
-- unknown in iraq 5566007 iraq2vediom.wmv  -- nick berg in iraq 1998520
iraqiarmymanf.wmv  -- iraqi officer hussein shanun in iraq 1084964
italywaturky.wmv  -- unknown in iraq (shooting) 5357890 KenBigley.rm  --
kenneth bigley in iraq 1421286 koria1.wmv  -- south korean kim sun-il in
iraq 1028476 lazof.wmv  -- unknown in iraq 4730704 masseer.WMV  --
unknown in iraq 7210324 mokh.wmv  -- unknown in iraq 4171087 murtad.wmv
-- unknown in iraq 2416030 Musil.wmv   -- unknown in iraq 3333310
nepal.wmv  -- nepalese in iraq 6180949 nz.rm  -- paul johnson in saudi
arabia 5617330 pog0078.WMV  -- shosei koda in iraq 1644245 sh_1.WMV  --
unknown in iraq 725224 russian.wmv  -- russian in chechnya 4324945 
russian3.asx  -- russian in chechnya 2995840 turken.wmv  -- murat yuce
in iraq (shooting) 3212062 turky2.wmv  -- turkish driver durmus
kumdereli in iraq 5687788 yahudi.rm  -- unknown in iraq


Real murder/torture beheading videos from Iraq & Chechnya presented by 
Al-Zarqawi & Merry Men.

And I don't even need Tor/Hidden Services to distribute them. An regular
webspace account on my own name, own country, own ISP, normal
unencrypted FTP and a very public site.


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