Sum legl trubs wid TOR en France + more

Ringo Kamens 2600denver at
Mon May 15 21:23:09 UTC 2006

So far in US laws, proxy owners can't be held responsibile for enabling
illegal activities unless they endorse or encourage them. For instance, if
you started a CGI proxy for a fee that offered "complete protection" and
"easy way to trade credit cards" you would end up in jail.

On 5/15/06, Jonathan D. Proulx <jon at> wrote:
> So the summary on drives is:
> * There's no point in being overly paranoid about wiping these because
> $they already got them and can be presumed to have a copy if they
> want it, the only point in wiping is the removal of potential
> malware, any reforam will do that.
> * Given sufficient time and money only physical destruction is
> sufficient protection (googling : destruction of classified disks
> SOP : gives the US Military position on this, presumably they know
> what they can recover...)
> ON the topic of what *could* happen:
> * The worst case is you could be the subject of an "extrodinary
> rendition" and spend the last painful month of your life in a dark
> hole.
> * The most likely case is you'll be questioned, searched, and possibly
> breifly detained while the cops fugure out you really can't help
> them even if you want to.
> My personal anectdote about police and TOR.  I was running a very
> popular exit node (was usually top three at the time), I was contected
> by a Sheriff from North Carolina (for those out side the US, this is
> not known as a particularly lenient, or computer savvy jurisdiction).
> It seems someone was commitiing a bit of credit card fraud through my
> exit node.  I explained how tor worked (mixing a bunch of stuff
> togather repeatedly with no logs), and gave URLs to documentation.
> Basicly the standard form letter on the phone.  I never heard about it
> again.  Law enforcement is used to leads that go no where, most do.
> I may have getten the benefit of some doubt due to my position (sys
> admin at major comp sci lab, and the node was on that network not a
> private connection), but I doubt it.
> -Jon
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