Some legal trouble with TOR in France

Tony Tony at
Sun May 14 15:33:53 UTC 2006

The whole point is that you ensure any keys are destroyed before you
receive a formal request. It not 'evidence' until its requested by the

It is believed there is code in all major manufacturer colour copiers
and high end printers that can identify the printer serial number. It is
done via a faint yellow pattern on every print out.

The stated target is currency forgery but of course it has many other

-----Original Message-----
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Subject: Re: Some legal trouble with TOR in France

> > Before they realise that they need a key you can microwave the
> token.
> > You can then surrender it when required and still meet your legal
> > obligations... 'It must have been static damage need
> to
> > be more careful with my equipment'
> Which in the UK at least could land you in prison for up to 10 years.

Evidence tampering is a severe crime in the United States, too.

> I wouldn't be surprised if the US Government at least *mandated*
> TPM-level access.

Don't any of you remember the Xerox scandal?

There's also code in high-end color Xerox copiers which prevents and/or
mangles copying of US currency. This was reported a few years ago IIRC.

Do you think Xerox decided to put these measures into their machinery
themselves? Or do you think they were asked/coaxed into doing it by The

> Tony's point was that you could arrange not to have the 
> tokens anymore. You better hope they believe you when you say you
> don't have it, though.

>Not having the authentication tokens counts as refusing to surrender

Per US law, if a judge subpoenas you to hand them over and you refuse
and/or remain silent, it means indefinite jail time (until you hand
over the tokens) and/or fines.

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