email with Tor

loki tiwaz loki_tiwaz at hotmail.com
Fri Oct 21 00:05:51 UTC 2005


if you use tor to access hotmail, won't this affect what exact location in 
the hotmail network you connect? sounds like just another reason to have 
tor/privoxy on a usb key, most internet cafes let you use them and since no 
installation is required, usually there will be no issues with running the 
programs. i don't access the internet on the move, but if i were to need to 
regularly i definitely would be sorting out this issue - using tor 
consistently to access services is essential, otherwise your location will 
be revealed in their server logs.


>From: Christian Siefkes <siefkes at mi.fu-berlin.de>
>Reply-To: or-talk at freehaven.net
>To: or-talk at freehaven.net
>Subject: Re: email with Tor
>Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 13:45:06 +0200
>
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>Hi,
>
>Marco Gruss wrote:
> > Ben Clifford wrote:
> >> Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.229.28]) by mc12-f31.hotmail.com
> >> with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 17 Oct 2005 05:48:40 -0700
> >>
> >> It has time zone information in it: -0700. From this they can infer
> >> what area of the world I am in.
> >
> > This header is from an internal "transaction" at Hotmail (65.54.229.28
> > belongs to them). I'm pretty sure their servers usually stay within the
> > same time zone <g>
> >
> > That you are in the same time zone is just a coincidence.
>
>I don't think so. I checked my mail folders for mails from Hotmail accounts
>for the time zones they use in "Date:" and "Received:" headers. German
>hotmail.com users always have +0100 or +0200 there (depending on whether 
>it's
>summer or winter), which is the correct local time zone. American users 
>tend
>to have something from -0400 to -0700. In spam sent from Hotmail other
>timezones occur as well, e.g. -0300 or +0400.
>
>Thus I suppose they're really using JavaScript to read your browser's 
>timezone.
>
>Or maybe they have servers around the world and forward you to the one that
>seems to be nearest to your IP -- but then Ben should have seen different 
>time
>zones when he uses Hotmail via Tor, so that's probably not the case.
>
>A workaround to this problem is probably to switch to another freemail
>provider and, if you're paranoid, to turn off JavaScript.
>
>Bye
>	Christian
>
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