Tor limitation

ADB firefox-gen at walala.org
Wed Nov 16 06:14:51 UTC 2005


Practically speaking, you're right. After all, you don't see me putting 
any of my OWN money into this idea do you? :D On the other hand, 
pragmatism and idealism do often converge. As MLK, JR said, "A threat to 
justice anywhere is a threat to justice EVERYWHERE". Also, I seem to 
remember there being news on /. among other places a few years ago that 
stated that IBM and/or Oracle were hired by the commies to implement a 
lot of this Great Firewall stuff. Does anyone remember this, or am I 
just making stuff up?

~A

Matt Thorne wrote:

>Just now I sat and thought about why I thought there should be no
>censorship in china. Honestly, Who am I to say that They are wrong...
>
>sobering thoughts ensue...
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>then it occured to me that the quote is right. they have come a long
>way, and done alot of good things working with the limitations instead
>of around them. But...
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>imagine what they could do, given the choice.
>
>(sappy and emotional isn't it)
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>-=Matt=-
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>On 11/16/05, nile <nile at deadbox.ath.cx> wrote:
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>>On Tue, Nov 15, 2005 at 04:14:53PM -0800, ADB wrote:
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>>>Yeah. Go I2p and tor rendezvous! Seriously though, someone on EFF or
>>>IETF's payroll has got to be willing and able to go over there and check
>>>it out. If these orgs REALLY want to know what's going on over there and
>>>help people, they need current, reliable information, right?
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>>Isn't the EFF more geared toward defending digital rights in the US?
>>Sure, the slogan is "Defending Freedom in the Digital World," but most
>>of their activities are obviously US-centric. Things like the "How to
>>Blog Safely" (http://www.eff.org/Privacy/Anonymity/blog-anonymously.php)
>>document are "exportable" (at least for English readers), but I don't
>>believe they've gotten involved with foreign governments like they have
>>with the US government, right?
>>
>>Anyway, for a bit of perspective on the "Chinese version of the
>>internet", so to speak, check out this post from EastSouthWestNorth:
>>http://www.zonaeuropa.com/20051110_1.htm
>>
>>Choice quote:
>>"Since people in China have never been free to express their political
>>views in public, not being able to do so in cyberspace isn't actually
>>viewed as a sacrifice. People don't feel like they're giving anything
>>up. On the contrary, they feel that blogs and other forms of online
>>social media have given them a great deal more freedom of expression
>>than they ever had before."
>>
>>As for China exit nodes and Tor, it'd be fine to have middleman/entry
>>nodes as well as directory servers AFAICT. I'm hoping anyone in China
>>considering running a Tor server would recognize that people on the
>>network wouldn't appreciate exiting from a node in China...
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