Tragedy of the Commons - was Re: (FWD) Re: BitTorrent - can it be blocked?

[tor]

Hi Roger,
     Welcome to the "Tragedy of the Commons", the issue that mojo-nation 
was designed to solve
although it has other issues and is not designed for the same target 
that tor is trying to hit.
blocking BT from the tor network , or better yet traffic shaping 
(possibly via trickle-like mechanisms),
could provide temporary mitagation ,especially if per protocol  
accounting could be introduced on the exit nodes to throttle same,
as a user who was thinking about running several tor routers in the very 
near future,  I am quite concerned about DMCA takedown notices 
especially on any US domestic TOR nodes.
 I however was thinking about routing BT Traffic via TOR myself and have 
noticed that BT(at least the clients I have played with suffer from the 
bandwidth hog syndrome).
Additionally running an Active BT client on the same host a TOR client 
or router is running on executes a DOS on the tor usage.
I dont see BT over TOR as an issue if traffic shaping is imposed, and it 
could have to be dynamic-modifically to account for the usage of 
non-standard ports, or ANY port which starts sucking bandwidth.


    a tor user

.Roger Dingledine wrote:

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>Paul, can you think about changing your Tor howto so it emphasizes
>that we don't want this much bittorrent traffic going over Tor right
>now? Anonymous trackers seem fine in terms of load, but arbitrary numbers
>of people free-loading off our bandwidth isn't something we're a big
>enough network to handle yet.
>
>--Roger
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>Subject: Re: BitTorrent - can it be blocked?
>Cc: Paul Gardner <parg at users.sourceforge.net>
>Date: Wed,  8 Dec 2004 13:42:05 +0100 (CET)
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>Paul Gardner wrote:
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>>PS. blocking BT isn't that easy as the standard ports are being used less
>>and less (particularly the data ones as some ISPs are apparently throttling
>>the 6881->6889 range)
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>Too bad.  Right now the BT folks are a major resource hog.  They (ab)use
>Tor to route amounts of traffic that it can't handle.  Tor is about
>anonymous communication, not about anonymous file sharing.  I for one
>would love to be able to not carry their traffic.  I don't run Tor for
>them, they just cost me lots of money - more than all the rest together
>so far I bet.  If only they just went away.
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