[tor-relays] Your opinion about tor-node.org

theintern me at theintern.pw
Wed Mar 2 00:02:42 UTC 2022


Martin,

This message is glowing too brightly for me.

Best Regards,
Me

On March 1, 2022 11:57:26 PM UTC, Martin Gebhardt <martin at gebhardt.im> wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>I don't know who of you is familiar with this, I just came across it a 
>few weeks ago. It's about tor-node.org.
>
>It is probably a person who collects funds for the operation of Tor 
>infrastructure. Nothing wrong with that and I applaud that.
>
>What you might find objectionable, but I don't, are the sponsors.They 
>are marketplaces that make their money from drug dealing and other 
>illegal sales.  I don't mind that, anything is better than buying your 
>addictive substance from windy guys at the train station.
>
>But what bothers me is the transparency. I also believe that using Tor 
>is an act of anonymity. But running Tor infrastructure is an act of 
>transparency. I am very interested in knowing who is working on our 
>project.
>
>Unfortunately, the operator can't come forward here either, because then 
>his anonymity towards the marketplace scene would be over.
>
>
>On the one hand, the operator justifiably wants to remain anonymous. 
>Just to protect his sponsors. On the other hand, however, this leads to 
>the fact that he can not reveal himself as an relay owner within the 
>operators.
>
>The operator can also not disclose to his sponsors what happens with 
>their money. Because then the sponsors would know which relays are 
>operated and then it is over with the anonymity.
>
>Without wanting to imply it, I think that this can also simply be a 
>fraud against the sponsors. I wouldn't care about that either. But I do 
>not think that this is the case and assume that relays are operated.
>
>What do you think about it? For me, it's a breach of the principle of 
>transparency, which I'm sure most of you here agree with.
>
>I would like to emphasize that I welcome every supporter of the network 
>and I am glad about every single relay. But do we as a community welcome 
>this kind of relay operators? Feel free to express your opinion.
>
>--
>Martin
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