[tor-relays] german plans on banning TOR

niftybunny abuse at to-surf-and-protect.net
Thu Mar 7 10:08:04 UTC 2019

> On 7. Mar 2019, at 10:14, Andreas Krey <a.krey at gmx.de> wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Mar 2019 21:19:23 +0000, niftybunny wrote:
> ...
>> Thats every ISP on the world. Every ISP on the world lets you connect to the internet.
> No, that legislation is restricted to restricted-access sites, i.e. tor onion services,
> or technially i2p as well (but nobody cares about that).

Nearly every site is restricted access. Log in to your Amazon account? Username & pw please. Restricted access. 
Want to read a Spiegel+ article? Log in … restricted access. 

To access the dark web markets you just needed an e-mail and make yourself an account with this e-mail.

>> What they want to do is outlaw the running of markets who promote drugs, weapons and cheese pizza.
>> Thats already the case. The just want it in one law so they don't have to process several accusations.
> No, they want to make the 'silkroad' operators more easily targetable.
> At the moment you can operate a trading platform on an an onion site
> and claim to not know what is actually traded on that platfrom. This
> legislation feels like it is attempting to change that (probably
> in reaction to the platfrom that faciltated selling the waepon
> for the munich shooting).

Agreed this is linked to Munich. The problem is: Its already outlawed. There is nothing new in this besides they dont want to convict someone with multiple crimes, its now summarised in one law.
The defence in Munich was: I didn’t know there would be weapons sold if I make a “sell weapons” sub forum. No shit Sherlock. 
> As for the broadness of the text - basically unless you're an
> onion site that isn't as well-known as walmart, you might always
> find yourself to be considere to fall under this law.

We have onion sites that do not sell drugs, weapons or cheese pizza. 

> It's not targeting tor node operators. Neither it is trying to
> make the tor project into a criminal organisation - it's the
> other way round trying to get at 'bad' onion site operators
> even if they are not part of a traditional 'organization',
> as in the internet time and gig economy there are les and
> less such.


One more thing: 

The largest onion site should still be Facebook. 
You cant use Facebook without logging in. 
So its restricted.
As we learned there are lots of cheese pizza and other illegal stuff on Facebook.
So we will outlaw Facebook.

I´ll get the champagne.

> - Andreas


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> From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@*.org>
> Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:29:21 -0800
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