[tor-relays] community team highlights: Relay Advocacy

[Colin Childs]

Hello everyone,

As there is some concern / confusion about what occurred here, I wanted to take a moment to explain: 

After Nusenu discovered the cluster of relays on OVH not reporting contactinfo, I reached out to a contact we have at OVH to ask if they can pass along information to the user running these relays. This was in the hopes that the user may have configured things incorrectly by accident, and rather than immediately potentially marking the relays as bad; the hope was to give the user a chance to resolve the issue. OVH’s general abuse address was not contacted regarding this issue. 

That said, this did not end up resolving the issue and next steps will now need to be taken. 

I hope you all had a nice weekend. 

> On Jan 13, 2019, at 4:21 PM, niftybunny <abuse at to-surf-and-protect.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On 13. Jan 2019, at 22:54, grarpamp <grarpamp at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>> communicating with OVH regarding relays without contactinfo
>> 
>>> Is it *really* a good idea to poke OVH over this?
>>> in their ToS
>>> I feel this can backfire in a bad way
>>> is easier to ban all this "Tor" entirely?
>> 
>> Though there can be some context, in general
>> harassing and busywork for ISP is indeed not good.
>> Especially when Tor has recourse and discipline
>> of simply dropping the nodes from consensus
>> with log referral. That's the better way, nodes will
>> get clue eventually.
>> 
>> Another bettwer way is creating anti-Sybil web of trusts
>> and node selection meta metrics that operators and
>> users can contribute to and choose among. Which
>> is still an open project ripe and waiting since *years*
>> to be done by whoever wants to explore it.
> 
> I really need an ELI5 why this is a good idea. 
> 
> OVH is a European company, we have privacy laws here. When asking if you can get the personal information for this servers you only will get a more or less friendly FuckYou.
> And they have a CW fraction of 15%, if we nag them enough they may change their TOS and start kicking all relays. This will be an even bigger nightmare than DigitalOcean.
> 
> Let sleeping dogs lie.
> 
> Markus
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