[tor-relays] Emerald Onion's new relays

[teor]

Hi,

> On 16 Aug 2019, at 01:02, NOC <tor at afo-tm.org> wrote:
> 
> On 15.08.2019 00:50, teor wrote:
>> 
>> On 14 Aug 2019, at 03:42, NOC <tor at afo-tm.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 12.08.2019 23:39, teor wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On 13 Aug 2019, at 05:08, Roman Mamedov <rm at romanrm.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, 12 Aug 2019 00:46:50 +0000
>>>>> Christopher Sheats <yawnbox at emeraldonion.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tor Project, please increase your #IPv6 awareness/outreach similar to how
>>>>>> ARIN and the other RIRs try very hard to do.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Before outreach Tor would need some actual IPv6 support, as in using it for
>>>>> the actual traffic of relay-to-relay communication. I tried running a few
>>>>> relays with very fast IPv6 and slow IPv4 (due to a common NAT frontend which
>>>>> was the bottleneck), but it was a complete nonstarter.
>>>> 
>>>> Tor relays currently don't connect over IPv6. When 10% of the network
>>>> supported IPv6, there wasn't much point, because putting a very small
>>>> number of paths over IPv6 has privacy risks. So we focused on client, guard,
>>>> and exit IPv6 support.
>>>> 
>>>> But currently, about 30% of the consensus weight supports IPv6. So we
>>>> are working on a grant for IPv6 support (see below).
>>>> 
>>>> We won't be able to prefer IPv6 until 50-67% of relays support IPv6, for
>>>> load-balancing and privacy reasons.  But we plan on using the
>>>> "Happy Eyeballs" (RFC 8305) algorithm on dual-stack relays. So
>>>> sufficiently slow IPv4 will cause relays to connect over IPv6. (And we can
>>>> tune the load-balancing using the IPv4 to IPv6 delay.)
>>> I still would say that these stats are deeply flawed. Looking at the Autonomous Systems where the relays are located from the top100, 99 of them do support IPv6 (85,7625% consensus weight), the only one which doesn't support is AS4224 but since they manage their AS themselves they would only need to ask their LIR and would get IPv6.
>>> 
>> The top 100 relays are only 13-18% of the total advertised bandwidth:
>> https://metrics.torproject.org/advbwdist-relay.html?start=2019-05-16&end=2019-08-14&n=1&n=100
>> https://metrics.torproject.org/bandwidth.html
> I never wrote about the top100 relays, relays don't matter, they come and go. It is important who does host them, that is why i looked at the AS, because the providers won't stop offer IPv6 if they have deployed it once. And that is why i think the complete roadmap is not useful at all and will delay everything just unnecessary.

We try to add new features, while keeping the network stable and fast,
and protecting user anonymity.

Sometimes we are too cautious, other times we break things.

We'll be able to judge the right speed once we've released the first
few new IPv6 features. Having funding will also help us go faster.

And it would really help if we had some researchers tell us how to do
anonymity in a mixed IPv4-only/dual-stack/IPv6-only network.

T

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teor
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