[tor-relays] Court Order

s7r s7r at sky-ip.org
Sun Sep 9 13:25:29 UTC 2018


Conrad Rockenhaus wrote:
> Greypony received its first Court Order yesterday. Unfortunately, we have no records to provide since it was a Tor Exit, and we don’t even have records of who owned that relay at that IP address because we don’t keep records of the info. Oops.
> 
> It’s a pretty broad Court Order, and kind of funny. Oh well.
> 
> Conrad
> 

I can see this way too often in the mail list and it looks like some
pour attempts of advertising of a small hosting/server/vps company
start-up. I sincerely doubt any court order was received on such short
notice, especially because these procedures take significant time from
the date an action happen to the date subpoena/court order is physically
received. Subject of this email thread chosen to attract attention, yet
with 0 proof.

Secondly, the said company could not have received a court order, or
even an abuse email, it is OVH who could have received them, and if it
really was a court order they would not pass it further downstream, they
would just tell them who the user of the IP address was at the given time.

HIGHLIGHT: I appreciate and respect and am thankful to people doing any
efforts at all to run exit nodes running, including setting up small
re-seller accounts with big providers and do it. We do not have to
advertise these facts to the mail list over and over again.

After all this company does not even own any IP address space at all, it
is an OVH re-seller with a different html website, and all those exits
can be shut down the minute OVH decides they received too many abuse
complaints, and that is it. They can state as long as they want that
they will not shut them down, just one day some person in management
changes and decides they are not worth it, so bye-bye.

Quite some people here are running exits under their own AS numbers and
own IP address space with different upstream providers that provide real
diversity yet none of them advertise it so heavily.

ANOTHER HIGHLIGHT SO MY WORDS DO NOT GET TWISTED: I am not saying these
relays are useless, they are just not such a big deal to keep reading
about them over and over again.

Thanks for not understanding it wrong.

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