[tor-relays] tor relay - impact on e-mail system reputation

[dlugasny at protonmail.com]

We are talking about about communication between two e-mail service providers where one of them hosting also tor relay using public mail exchange IPs. Netflix ;) I would say could be completly ignored in that case - they has nothing to do with an e-mail communication (except spamming with newsletters and notifications ;) ).

 For me it will be much helpful to have a list of RBLs which also include IPs of tor relays (exit and non exit). Till now I have found only some small private RBLs with list of tor relay ips, but they are not commonly used. If some one of You knows RBLS with tor relay ips please publish it.

Thanks in advance for any support.





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On Monday, November 26, 2018 4:10 PM, niftybunny <abuse at to-surf-and-protect.net> wrote:

> Yup, a few years ago Netflix blocked all VPN Provider IPs and all Tor IPs including middle and guards … they completely ignored that guards / middle could not send traffic to Netflix.
> After all someone at Netflix read the TLDR about Tor and changed it.
>
> > On 26. Nov 2018, at 21:55, ronqtorrelays at risley.net wrote:
> >
> > > On Nov 25, 2018, at 10:10, starlight.2018q2 at binnacle.cx wrote:
> > > If an IP is not on Spamhaus and not on Barracuda it
> > > should have no problem obtaining a decent reputation.
> >
> > Not too many years back, I had a non-exit relay on the same IP address I use for my general home WiFi network. Mail reputation didn't seem to be affected, but I found that I was blacklisted by a number of media companies. I don't remember which ones, exactly, but services like Hulu and Netflix started giving me error messages to the effect that I was in a geographic region they didn't support (California, US). When I'd call customer support, they'd just deny that there was any problem and blame my ISP. It took quite a bit of sleuthing to figure out that the companies simply block any Tor-associated IP addresses.
> > The impression I get is that it's deliberate and purely punitive. They see Tor as a service that might affect their bottom line (by facilitating piracy and/or getting around geographic restrictions), so they do anything they can to punish people who support it. They know perfectly well that a non-exit relay can't be used to bypass geographic restrictions, but they block them anyway out of arrogance.
> > I moved my relay to a different IP and over the span of a month or two the blocking stopped.
> > All of which is to say that there are certainly companies out there that will attack you for running a middle node.
> > --Ron
> >
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