[tor-relays] Explaining Tor to worried parent

niftybunny abuse at to-surf-and-protect.net
Mon Nov 12 17:14:20 UTC 2018

Yeah, one of the complete bullshit things. I get around 200 emails per day like this one:


Dear Sir or Madam:

We are contacting you on behalf of Paramount Pictures Corporation (Paramount).  Under penalty of perjury, I assert that IP-Echelon Pty. Ltd., (IP-Echelon) is authorized to act on behalf of the owner of the exclusive copyrights that are alleged to be infringed herein.

IP-Echelon has become aware that the below IP addresses have been using your service for distributing video files, which contain infringing video content that is exclusively owned by Paramount.

IP-Echelon has a good faith belief that the Paramount video content that is described in the below report has not been authorized for sharing or distribution by the copyright owner, its agent, or the law.  I also assert that the information contained in this notice is accurate to the best of our knowledge.

We are requesting your immediate assistance in removing and disabling access to the infringing material from your network.  We also ask that you ensure the user and/or IP address owner refrains from future use and sharing of Paramount materials and property.

In complying with this notice, Zwiebelfreunde e.V. should not destroy any evidence, which may be relevant in a lawsuit, relating to the infringement alleged, including all associated electronic documents and data relating to the presence of infringing items on your network, which shall be preserved while disabling public access, irrespective of any document retention or corporate policy to the contrary.

Please note that this letter is not intended as a full statement of the facts; and does not constitute a waiver of any rights to recover damages, incurred by virtue of any unauthorized or infringing activities, occurring on your network.  All such rights, as well as claims for other relief, are expressly reserved.

Should you need to contact me, I may be reached at the following address:

Adrian Leatherland
On behalf of IP-Echelon as an agent for Paramount
Address: 7083 Hollywood Blvd., Los Angeles, CA 90028, United States
Email: p2p at copyright.ip-echelon.com <mailto:p2p at copyright.ip-echelon.com>

Evidentiary Information:
Infringed Work: The Dictator
Infringing FileName: Dictator.2012.720p.BluRay.x264-LEONARDO_[scarabey.org <http://scarabey.org/>].mkv
Infringing FileSize: 1717703741
Infringer's IP Address:
Infringer's Port: 45772
Initial Infringement Timestamp: 2018-11-12T16:43:39Z


the best part: 

Should you need to contact me, I may be reached at the following address:
Address: 7083 Hollywood Blvd., Los Angeles, CA 90028, United States
Email: p2p at copyright.ip-echelon.com <mailto:p2p at copyright.ip-echelon.com>

I tried to reach out to them at that e-mail. No reply. 

I tried to reach out to them via the company e-mail on their website. No reply. 

I called them, they will call me back. Never heard back from them.

I even wrote a snail mail letter to them. Never answered.

Now they get a reply from my mail script and thats it. 


> On 12. Nov 2018, at 11:59, Kenneth Freeman <kencf0618 at riseup.net> wrote:
> On 11/12/2018 08:23 AM, niftybunny wrote:
>> 1. ISPs want to make money, in fact they have to turn in a profit to survive. Yeah, I know 
>> that sounds unbelievable. Tor is legal but someone has to take care of abuse mails. These support 
>> people want money for their work. If you get lots of abuse mails and
> the support person is working
>> for 2 house on them and cost the company 50 euros and you are paying 10
> euros for the hosting, they
>> will try to get rid of you. Its simple as that. Another issue is that
> their is tier 1 support that
>> is dumb as hell. Try to talk to KabelDeutschland “Internet Specialists"
> (now Vodafone) about DNS
>> issues or the OSI model. They have no clue at all und you get suicidal after a few minutes over 
>> the incompetence.
> Just so. Legally ISP have to respond to DMCA notices, so the less legal
> overhead they have to budget for the happier they are. When I first
> began running Tor many moons ago I set up an exit node after an exchange
> of e-mails with my ISP. Nonetheless they got a DMCA notice (copyright
> violation) within two days and automatically cut me off at the knees.
> I'm severely deaf and I had to phone the "Help" desk who weren't about
> to deviate from their "Three strikes" script" and weren't interested
> whatsoever in any input from my end other than following their protocol.
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