[tor-relays] Aggressive abuse report

[Maarten]

Hey Florentin,

That is great to hear!

I always include the argument that I am complying with their wishes. But
it is totally pointless as I am not the only exit node.

If they are truly interested in stopping abuse/attacks, they can block
all exit nods as they are publicly provided by tor.
But not all criminals use tor, some just used compromised servers and
such. Block Tor completely does not block all abuse.

And so security should be improved on the "complaining" server, no
matter if it is reachable by tor or not.

This leads me to the question if they are serious about security, or
serious about undermining privacy with excuses and legal loopholes.

The trick is to not offend anyone when making these statements.
Offended people usually have a hard time listening to reason, and only
focus on the damage to their image. Even if it is a private conversation.

Maarten.

Florentin Rochet wrote on 16-03-17 12:18:
> Hi Maarten (and others who answered back),
> 
> I got a few more mail exchange with them. I tried to educate a bit and
> it seems they agreed (not explicitly) that the right to privacy is
> something that should not be removed to people due to the illegal
> actions of a few others. They told me to be forced by law, as a service
> provider, to do their best to reduce this kind of illegal traffic.
> 
> I told them I will reject targeted IPs seen in more than one complain.
> In my opinion, that's an appropriate tradeoff. Right now, it seems that
> I will not get banned :-)
> 
> I appreciate the help,
> 
> Florentin
> 
> On 2017-03-14 17:08, Maarten wrote:
>> Hi Florentin,
>>
>> Read the policy of your hoster.
>> I had the same situation and already configured a reduced exit policy.
>> So I just changed my exit policy. Now I do not relay to their entire IP
>> block on port 80 anymore. So it can't happen again......
>>
>> My hoster was fine with that.
>> Along with this I sent an explenation that I am not the only Exit node
>> and how to easily block all exit nodes. (The default text from the tor
>> project website)
>>
>> I had the luck that the employee agreed that Tor's value to society
>> makes the abuse acceptable.
>>
>> Maarten.
>>
>> Florentin Rochet wrote on 14-03-17 13:41:
>>> Hi list,
>>>
>>> I am running Kadoc[0] for a few weeks and got today a more aggressive
>>> complain from a System Administrator of my VPS provider. I seek for an
>>> appropriate response to not get banned. Does someone experienced a
>>> similar scenario and succeeded to educate the sys admins ? Here's the
>>> complain:
>>>
>>> /"It is running a Tor Exit, hence producing a false positive." is not a
>>> valid reason.//
>>> //You are the one responsible for the traffic generated on/trough your
>>> server, so you should make sure that no similar traffic will appear in
>>> future. Illegal actions are strictly prohibited in our network/servers.//
>>> //Please take immediate actions to stop this kind of activity./
>>>
>>> I am almost sure that trying to argument that I am not responsible for
>>> the traffic generated through my Exit is not the right angle with such
>>> guy. Any ideas ?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Florentin Rochet
>>>
>>> [0]
>>> https://atlas.torproject.org/#details/171696AFDB589CA2C4978EED2C6A91153D2B993B
>>>
>>>
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