[tor-relays] Legal situation of tor in Europe

Sebastian Urbach sebastian at urbach.org
Mon Mar 9 22:32:50 UTC 2015

On March 9, 2015 11:16:34 PM yl <tor at yl.ms> wrote:

> Am 09.03.2015 um 22:53 schrieb Markus Hitter:
> > It certainly wasn't meant this way. The point of these considerations is: 
> of what use is an anonymous network if virtually no website accepts 
> connections from it? Right: it's of not much use, with most of the public 
> internet blocked you can communicate inside the network, only.
> >
> > To take your webmail example: if the site admin decides there's too much 
> spam coming from Tor connections and blocks the entire network, then you're 
> done with your webmailing, even with full freedom inside Tor its self.
> So wouldn't the correct solution also be to educate the administrators
> of such services? I mean the only reason, why there is more Tor-Exit-IPs
> in the abuse log than any other single unique IP is that there is tens
> of thousand of users using each Tor-Exit.


> I had such a case some days ago on an exit relay, someone with an Google
> account complained that there where abusive logins from the Tor Exits
> IP, so what should I do then? Block the whole login page domain of
> Google in my exit? Surely that is not the right solution if there is a
> few thousand users not trying to brute force that one account.
> I didn't even get any more reply from the Google user when I asked if
> this was only a single event or if it was multiple repeated.
> >
> > As such the only solution can be to play nice with public sites. I don't 
> mean to have all answers to all problems here. Opening only selected ports, 
> a common practice, could also be seen as censoring, still it's generally 
> considered to be acceptable. Apparently it's not enough to gain a good 
> reputation.
> Sure, but always answer to the abuse emails and try to explain, if you
> receive a few a week then prepare some text modules that you just copy
> an paste, make it look unique and many people will understand.


Sincerely yours / Sincères salutations / M.f.G.

Sebastian Urbach

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