[tor-relays] tor-relays Digest, Vol 51, Issue 27

Thu Apr 23 12:55:15 UTC 2015

Can I get the list of those sites which are blocking tor traffic to view or
edit their page?
On 23 Apr 2015 17:30, <tor-relays-request at lists.torproject.org> wrote:

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>    1. Re: Subpoena received (Jan GUTH)
>    2. Re: Subpoena received (Jan GUTH)
>    3. Re: Subpoena received (Brian Kroll)
>    4. Re: Subpoena received (renke at mobtm.com)
>    5. Re: Quantum Insert detection for everyone (tor at t-3.net)
>    6. Re: Subpoena received (Moritz Bartl)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 10:15:32 +0200
> From: Jan GUTH <prometheus at enn.lu>
> To: tor-relays at lists.torproject.org
> Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Subpoena received
> Message-ID: <5538AA24.3040802 at enn.lu>
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> On 20/04/15 16:32, Tyler Durden wrote:
> > Hi
> > I just wanted to let you know that Washington sent us a subpoena
> > regarding one of our exit nodes in Romania. They want to know the real
> > IP behind the Tor Network. I mailed them what Tor is and why I can't
> > help them in identifying this person. Nevertheless I will give you the
> > link to the full subpoena. Maybe you guys find it interesting. I will
> > forward the subpoena to our lawyer as well.
> >
> >
> >
> https://mega.co.nz/#!ilIjlZSb!-deirKharWaDtp_UMxhev58E14zeouyoWUbzxeWPvEQ
>
> Good morning list,
>
> I just called up Alistar and explained the entire situation. They IT
> guys know what Tor is and their company is strongly interested in
> continuing supporting Tor. They are a partner company now of Voxility,
> and the apparently while moving some clients, someone did forget to tell
> them that they'll get a client running Tor exit nodes.
>
> They are simply overchallenged with this request as it is the very first
> one they have ever received.
>
> The good news is, that they will _not_ shutdown our server, nor take any
> logs, which are non-existant. The counterpart we need to contribute is a
> letter by our lawyer and favorably a letter from EFF or some other
> bigger organization guaranteeing Tor is what it is and we as client do
> not try to fool them.
>
> This is a request from the administration level of the company, not the
> tech guys - as always.
>
> So, I'll get in touch with our lawyer & with EFF. Is there anyone else
> within EU, whom could certify them what Tor is and what it is capable of
> and what not? Moritz?
>
> Cheers,
> J.
>
> --
> Jan GUTH
> International Coordinator
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 10:20:10 +0200
> From: Jan GUTH <prometheus at enn.lu>
> To: tor-relays at lists.torproject.org
> Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Subpoena received
> Message-ID: <5538AB3A.2050701 at enn.lu>
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>
> On 20/04/15 16:32, Tyler Durden wrote:
> > Hi
> > I just wanted to let you know that Washington sent us a subpoena
> > regarding one of our exit nodes in Romania. They want to know the real
> > IP behind the Tor Network. I mailed them what Tor is and why I can't
> > help them in identifying this person. Nevertheless I will give you the
> > link to the full subpoena. Maybe you guys find it interesting. I will
> > forward the subpoena to our lawyer as well.
> >
> >
> >
> https://mega.co.nz/#!ilIjlZSb!-deirKharWaDtp_UMxhev58E14zeouyoWUbzxeWPvEQ
>
> Good morning list,
>
> I just called up Alistar and explained the entire situation. They IT
> guys know what Tor is and their company is strongly interested in
> continuing supporting Tor. They are a partner company now of Voxility,
> and the apparently while moving some clients, someone did forget to tell
> them that they'll get a client running Tor exit nodes.
>
> They are simply overchallenged with this request as it is the very first
> one they have ever received.
>
> The good news is, that they will _not_ shutdown our server, nor take any
> logs, which are non-existant. The counterpart we need to contribute is a
> letter by our lawyer and favorably a letter from EFF or some other
> bigger organization guaranteeing Tor is what it is and we as client do
> not try to fool them.
>
> This is a request from the administration level of the company, not the
> tech guys - as always.
>
> So, I'll get in touch with our lawyer & with EFF. Is there anyone else
> within EU, whom could certify them what Tor is and what it is capable of
> and what not? Moritz?
>
> Cheers,
> J.
>
> --
> Jan GUTH
> International Coordinator
>
> Fr?nn vun der ?nn A.S.B.L. (NGO)
> e. info at enn.lu (GPG: 0x02225522)
> t. +352?691?71?77?44
> w. http://enn.lu/
>
>
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>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 08:29:45 +0000
> From: Brian Kroll <brian at fiberoverethernet.com>
> To: tor-relays at lists.torproject.org
> Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Subpoena received
> Message-ID: <5538AD79.3060902 at fiberoverethernet.com>
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> Zack Weinberg:
> > On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Tyler Durden <virii at enn.lu>
> > wrote:
> >> I just wanted to let you know that Washington sent us a subpoena
> >> regarding one of our exit nodes in Romania
> >
> > Just FYI, "Washington" doesn't appear to have anything to do with
> > this.  The subpoena is on the letterhead of an office of Cook
> > County, Illinois, which is the locality containing the city of
> > Chicago.  Per
> > http://www.cookcountyil.gov/office-of-the-independent-inspector-general/
> >
> >
> this office investigates misconduct by county officials.
> >
> > This matters because, first, this is probably a tiny little outfit
> > with little or no clue about either the Internet or international
> > law.
>
> As a resident of Cook Country I can safely say it's not a small
> locality, but I'm sure their knowledge about international law is
> quite low.
>
> > They *should have* hired an international lawyer when they saw
> > they'd need to talk to someone operating out of Romania and/or
> > Luxembourg, but it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that they
> > didn't.
>
> > And they've probably never even heard of Tor before.
>
> I know the Chicago Police claim they don't know what Tor is.
>
> http://www.muckrock.com/foi/chicago-169/chicago-police-use-of-tor-15392/
>
> > Second, the incident which triggered the investigation, whatever it
> > is, is probably quite minor.  (This is backed up by their asking
> > for one IP address active at a single point in time.)  It would
> > have been booted up to the state or federal level if it were any
> > kind of serious.  For both those reasons, I would rate the odds of
> > them actually bothering to jump through all the necessary legal
> > hoops to get a court order binding on a foreign national as slim to
> > none.
>
>
> ATB
> //Brian
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 11:47:17 +0200 (CEST)
> From: renke at mobtm.com
> To: tor-relays at lists.torproject.org
> Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Subpoena received
> Message-ID: <20150423094717.382558A02B7 at dd1818.kasserver.com>
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>
> Hi,
>
> > The counterpart we need to contribute is a
> > letter by our lawyer and favorably a letter from EFF or some other
> > bigger organization guaranteeing Tor is what it is and we as client do
> > not try to fool them.
>
> as the US government sponsored (parts of) the Tor development - what about
> giving them US military research papers about the Tor network?
>
> http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a465464.pdf is one of them,
> co-authored by a Navy researcher and performed by the Naval Research
> Laboratory.
>
> Not itself sufficient, but done by a bigger organisation w/o triggering
> anarchist/commie/hacker/terroristsupporting/publicenemy bias reactions.
>
> Renke
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 07:39:07 -0400
> From: tor at t-3.net
> To: <tor-relays at lists.torproject.org>
> Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Quantum Insert detection for everyone
> Message-ID: <5538d9db.9d8.3c445700.6bd5299c at t-3.net>
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>
>  On 04/23/2015 01:56 AM, David Stainton wrote:
>
>  > It is possible to add a "prevention" mechanism to HoneyBadger; an
>  > event based firewall ruleset generator made to block TCP injection
>  > attacks as they are happening... yes. This is possible. I could
> write
>  > that if there was interest from enough people.
>
> Gief.
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 13:57:32 +0200
> From: Moritz Bartl <moritz at torservers.net>
> To: tor-relays at lists.torproject.org
> Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Subpoena received
> Message-ID: <5538DE2C.3030200 at torservers.net>
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>
> On 04/23/2015 10:20 AM, Jan GUTH wrote:
> > So, I'll get in touch with our lawyer & with EFF. Is there anyone else
> > within EU, whom could certify them what Tor is and what it is capable of
> > and what not? Moritz?
>
> Depends on what convinces them. :-) Sounds like it may make sense to get
> a generic letter signed by all our partner organizations (which includes
> Reporters without Borders, Institute of War & Peace Reporting,
> Article19, and potentially other Human Rights Orgs) in the long run.
>
> I'm happy to write something as Torservers.net, in a way representing
> all the current partner orgs. Then, we can send the letter around and
> get it co-signed by all the partner orgs and other orgs.
>
> --
> Moritz Bartl
> https://www.torservers.net/
>
>
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