[tor-relays] BBC and UK Lottery blocking ip addresses running relay

[Chris Whittleston]

That's great news Dan, keep us posted!

Chris
On 18 Sep 2014 21:40, "Dan Hanley" <hanley.dan at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>> I have just received a slightly more positive reply:
>
> "At present, our GeoIP data provider classes Tor nodes as proxies,
> regardless of whether or not they're an exit node. We understand that there
> is room for improvement in this model, since non-exit relays do not present
> traffic on behalf of other users. We have asked our provider to give us a
> way of differentiating Tor exit nodes from non-exit relays, to allow us to
> block exit nodes only."
>
> So perhaps they will make a change... certainly reporting the issue seems
> to raise its importance :-)
>
> atb
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>>
>
>  5. Re: BBC and UK Lottery blocking ip addresses running relay
>>       nodes (Chris Whittleston)
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Chris Whittleston <csw34 at cam.ac.uk>
>> To: tor-relays at lists.torproject.org
>> Cc:
>> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 01:40:31 +0100
>> Subject: Re: [tor-relays] BBC and UK Lottery blocking ip addresses
>> running relay nodes
>> Yeah ouch - maybe I just got someone a bit more helpful. I'm with Matt
>> though, it seems like they still don't get the difference between using Tor
>> as a client and running a relay, so this isn't the end of the road there.
>> You are going to have to rely on them wanting to actually think about it
>> though.
>>
>> If all else fails, you could always try to simply report the issue again
>> using the form I linked before, but this time just don't mention Tor at all
>> and see if you get a different customer service person...
>>
>> http://iplayerhelp.external.bbc.co.uk/tv/incorrect_location_may2014
>>
>> I suspect you'll end up having to explain that you're running a relay in
>> the end anyway, but you never know.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On 17 September 2014 21:48, Matt Puckey <matt at puckey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Stephen Mollett:
>>> > [...]
>>> > "Thank you for contacting the BBC iPlayer support team.
>>> >
>>> > "I understand you’re experiencing problems accessing BBC iPlayer as
>>> > you’re told that you are outside of the UK.
>>> >
>>> > "Please note that if you run TOR, then I’m afraid as per our
>>> development
>>> > team’s confirmation you’ll not be able to access BBC iPlayer. If you
>>> > continue to use TOR then your IP address may be blacklisted against UK
>>> > only services across bbc.co.uk."
>>> >
>>> > I made a point of stating explicitly in my original case filing that I
>>> > run a middle relay and that no traffic exits from my node to the BBC's
>>> > website or to anywhere else, along with a link to my node's stats on
>>> > blutmagie confirming the (non-)exit policy.
>>> > [...]
>>>
>>> Hi Stephen,
>>>
>>> I'm not sure whether I'm surprised at the BBC or not!
>>>
>>> It is a shame if they seem to be doing blanket blocking of Tor relay IP
>>> addresses. I suppose this
>>> (
>>> https://blog.torproject.org/blog/call-arms-helping-internet-services-accept-anonymous-users
>>> )
>>> has /some/ relevance.
>>>
>>> The problem is obviously convincing a organisation like the BBC to treat
>>> individual IP addresses different from other Tor relay IP addresses (and
>>> whether they should be doing that at all). Although it seems Chris
>>> Whittleston obviously managed it! Maybe you simply got 'the wrong person
>>> at the other end'. Personally, I would continue to pursue this with them!
>>>
>>> --Matt
>>>
>>>
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