[tor-relays] Huge harrassment by Irdeto and IP-Echelon, 83 mails, in 2 weeks, need your help

Thu Nov 14 17:47:44 UTC 2013

Hi Dan and Moritz,

Thank you very much for your answers.

So my case is not the only one with this kind of automatized abuses complaints, it's really important for me to know this.

Dan your idea is very interesting because it matches with Moritz's idea and as you say, there is absolutely no legal action, just harassment paid by private company, trying to make ISP to cut down the Internet Access of people who download and share movies and others copyrighted products.

I already sent a mail to my ISP to tell them about my use of the servers and tell them I completely agree to pay a "different offer" if it makes more sense (and I think: of course, it would make more sense). Since yesterday, abuse complaints flow is suspended, so I will retry to contact them about that. I also tried by phone call but nobody never answers ^^ but I will continue to try.

To finish, the fact that an ISP already blocked this kind of "commercial harassment" is very important for my case, because I can talk about it to my ISP, and tell them that this is not something foolish that cannot be done.

I will tell you about what will be said by my ISP, and I look forward to restart my servers without going right to a precipice.
If I have no answer by my ISP it will be necessary for me to set a reduced Exit Policy : if I don't have a lot of abuse complaints it will be OK (they have been OK to transmit 85 abuse complaints (2 more from yesterday) in 2 weeks without making any remark so I can hope that will be OK).

Have a nice day (or night!)
Best regards,

Julien ROBIN

----- Mail original -----
De: "Dan Staples" <danstaples at disman.tl>
À: tor-relays at lists.torproject.org
Envoyé: Jeudi 14 Novembre 2013 00:32:02
Objet: Re: [tor-relays] Huge harrassment by Irdeto and IP-Echelon, 83 mails, in 2 weeks, need your help

Are they threatening any legal action? They're probably just trying to
cover their asses. They are likely getting these notices from MPAA and
other trolls, and are sending all of them along to you to make sure they
are not legally liable for anything. But unless they are threatening
legal action, maybe you can just ignore them? I am not a lawyer and have
not run an exit node, so my suggestion could be worthless :)

Dan

On 11/13/2013 05:50 PM, Moritz Bartl wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> One idea would be to ask the ISP, and maybe pay them a bit more for the
> additional workload in handling the complaints. One of our ISPs has
> decided to simply blackhole all complaints coming from Irdeto/IP-Echelon.
> 
> The other choice is to use a more restricted exit policy, like this one:
> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/ReducedExitPolicy
> 
> It allows many relevant ports to exit, but will cut down DMCA complaints
> to almost zero since it does not allow random ports.
> 

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The general vibe of the 2-pager seems to be to promote OTI through the
Commotion project, rather than highlighting/promoting the project
itself, at least that's my impression. Not a criticism, just an
observation.

There are a few things I would tweak, and I would generally stay away
from the "Imagine the next Tahrir Square" type language.

Dan

On 11/13/2013 02:39 PM, Thomas Gideon wrote:

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