[tor-relays] Amazon abuse report

ramo at goodvikings.com ramo at goodvikings.com
Sun Nov 3 23:29:59 UTC 2013

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I don't think this is the right place for you to try and justify your refusal to pay for content people create. I think most people on this list would prefer you keep political opinions not related to tor off list.



On Sun, Nov 03, 2013 at 11:50:58PM +0100, Lukas Erlacher wrote:
> Let me chime in here in regards to torrents to be perhaps not the
> devil's, but the radical's advocate.
> I'm sure everyone here will agree that a good case can be made that
> copyright laws as they stand today are a perversion of, and
> counter-productive to, their original stated intention of "advancement
> of the arts and sciences", and just as leaking secret information and
> evidence of wrongdoing is a protest and defense against governments
> that try to hinder freedom and transparency, so is distributing
> copyrighted cultural goods a protest and defense against content
> industries (that are often justifiably compared to criminal
> organisations ("MAFIAA") due to their frequently corrupt and abusive
> conduct) that attempt to censor culture in order to excise maximum
> profit from it. Cultural goods that should be preserved and made
> available to everyone rot away every day because they were not allowed
> to be preserved and distributed.
> Do not indict torrents because it's all "movies and porn of horrible
> quality" - that is defamation. The hollywood movies and the porn may
> not have much "cultural value", but who is the arbiter of what
> "cultural value" is? And even if it was found unanimously that porn
> does not concern culture (hah!), then for every TB of porn and
> hollywood shite you block, there are Megabytes of bona fide culture
> liberated from the shackles of copyright that you throw to the wolves,
> saying "it's just torrents".
> And doesn't wikileaks use mostly torrents for distributing their releases?
> When you block torrenting, you're making a decision to censor
> information and speech based on it being done using a method that is
> predominantly used for "illegitimate", "illegal" activity; in that
> case, why not shutter Tor entirely? We all know it's mainly used by
> fraudsters and other criminals, and right now at this time we know
> that 80% of Tor clients are zombies from a botnet.
> Censor torrents because your provider will shut you down if you
> generate DMCA complaints and C&D's; censor them because you truly
> believe that the torrents are a necessary sacrifice to allow the Tor
> network to continue to function; don't censor them because they don't
> contain worthwhile speech that deserves to be protected.
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